Ridgid power tools now come with a lifetime warranty, including replacement
batteries for cordless tools, if you register your purchase on the Ridgid
website. Nonetheless, at checkout at the local Home Depot, you have the
"opportunity" to buy an extended warranty ($9.99 for a $60 orbital sander,
Waarranty extended beyond lifetime of the tool? interesting concept --
Regards -- JimR
Especially someone who didn't read the thing about the lifetime warranty.
One computer video card maker did offer a double lifetime warranty,
though. That is, if you bought the card and then sold it the next guy
got a life time warranty also.
Old computers are getting to be a lost art. Here at Uncreative Labs, we
I might just be a scam of some sore, but I can think of several reasons for
an extended warranty. One might be a guaranteed 24 hour replacement or
something like that. It would be a big improvement over sending a defective
tool in and having to wait for repair and return post and could be a
critical option for the professional needing his tools.
Another might be an option to upgrade to a newer model of tool instead of
just repair and return of the old one. How about onsite repair in case of
defect? Very handy for bigger tools. If I thought about it, I'm sure I could
think of a few more possible reasons for an extended warranty. Don't knock
it unless you know exactly what the extended warranty entails.
You just have to pay close attention to what you're getting.
Under many "extended" warranties, should you have a problem while the item
is still under the "manufacturers" warranty, and should you happen to
attempt to invoke the "extended" warranty by accidentally calling the wrong
party, you will be refused and the extended warranty will no longer be valid
for that particular problem.
This happened to me a couple of years ago with a computer monitor that went
out on the 364th day of the manufacturer's warranty, a Friday, and I
inadvertently, not remembering the exact day of purchase, called the wrong
party. They did not get back to me until the next working day, at which
point both invoked the fine print and neither wanted to repair/replace it.
... well, they attempted to, and would have, had they been dealing with a
That said, we always purchase extended warranties on appliances put in new
homes because it is often past the manufacturer's warranty when the house is
sold and the appliance put into use. I am beginning to think, that with all
the shoddy goods out there, an extended warranty ain't such a bad idea in
Using your mention of appliances, I frequently buy an extended warranty,
especially something has electronic circuitry ~ and what doesn't these days?
Some 30 years ago an appliance came with 3, 5, 10 and sometimes longer
warranty. These days, most come with a one year warranty. Recently, I've
been pricing an electric, broiler/convection smooth top, energy smart range
for my kitchen. $2000+ CA for it. It only comes with a one year warranty and
due to the fact that it's composed in large part of electronic circuitry,
all it takes is for one tiny component to fry and put the entire appliance
out of service.
Analogue based products lasted for years. Case in point, the electric stove
I've used for the past 17 years and the same one my mother used for 30 years
before I got my hands on it. Before they used to repair products, now they
just pop in an entirely new module. Not worth the labour to repair most
stuff these days, if it they could be repaired at all. This great electronic
information age we're in, it can be very convenient, but we're certainly
paying through the nose for that convenience.
Ecaxtly. I have to be leary of the generic ones sold by the cashier at the
cash register who may or may not enen know what you are purchasing. :~)
Take Best Buy for example. I dont need an extended warranty on that CD I am
Was that when you put your wife on the phone to wear them down. LOL. With
all due respect for you and your wife I am only saying this because of your
comments about her and how she gets the situation handled. ;~)
For others reading this, Swingman's wife is a true "Good Luck Charm" great
to have around when trying to resolve a problem or smply to have around when
trying to find a close parking place.
I feel they are good when the repairs will cost you while still trying to
finish paying for a particular purchase like a car or in instances like you
have mentioned or.... when you need faster than normal warranty service.
Good points however the typical extended warranty literature is quite vague
as what it covers and the salesman will almost always tell you it will even
cover the Earth being hit by Mars. All you gotta do is call this 1-800
number and ....unfortunately you learn then what it really covers, in many
cases. Also most all of these warranties go in to effect after the
original warranty expires. But to reiterate what you said, when the
extended warranty improves upon the original warranty from day one they can
be of benefit. As an example, I bought my son a Dell laptop for college. I
went through the school links to get to the Dell site and added the 4 year
extended warranty that includes faster service and accidental breakage. The
warranty cost about $500 extra but going through the school I ended up with
$600 in discounts plus a $200 rebate. The advantage as you stated was that
when the hard drive failed the computer was up and running in less than 24
hours and we had a more direct phone number to call to get warranty
assistance with out having to wait on hold for more than 3 or 4 minutes.
For $500 you could have bought several laptop hard drives, and they
are generally even easier to install than in a desktop or tower
system. Did the extended warranty include data recovery, or just parts
Not necessarily. He didn't say that it was a removable hard drive. It may
well have been an internal one. I'm not familiar with Dell as a user, but I
also suspect that their drives may be equipped with a semi-proprietary OS
that recognizes only their own hardware fully. In a case like that, some off
the shelf drive would be mostly useless. It's also possible that some OEM
drive could also void all warranty of any type.
I've never heard of any retail warranty that includes data recovery and most
certainly, no $500 warranty of *any type* is going to include data recovery
costs other than an OS recovery CD. If you consider that every user
experiences a hard drive crash at one time or another, Dell would have been
out of business a long time ago if they included Data recovery for the
relatively paltry sum of $500. Data recovery costs thousands of dollars in
time and labour.
First we start with the realization that many electronic retailers make
more percentage profit when selling the extended warranties than they
do on the items themselves. They are great little earners for the
All extended warranty contracts make the retailers money. If they didn't
they would not be offered. Its a gamble that the consumer takes and
normally comes out on the short end of the stick on. In my case the
additional cost of the contract included 3 years virus protection and deep
additional discounts that probably came closer to Dell employee pricing than
any other deal.
And this is an issue because? You can buy a kit specifically for the
purpose of upgrading internal laptop hard disks at Best Buy for under $200,
including the disk.
Then use a non-semi-proprietary OS that recognizes all hardware fully. XP
Pro full boat retail costs 300 bucks, and nobody in his right mind pays
list for it. You're out the door for 500, worst-case, which is the same as
the cost of the extended warranty. Since you're buying a drive anyway you
qualify for OEM pricing, so that's more like $150 for the OS.
Outside the US, perhaps. United States Code, Title 15, Chapter 501, Section
2302, starting at paragraph (c), states:
"(c) No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied
warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such
product, any article or service (other than article or service provided
without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by
brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this
subsection may be waived by the Commission if -
(1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will
function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in
connection with the warranted product and
(2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest."
How many experience one on a machine under warranty? The extended warranty
doesn't last forever you know, and it only covers the one machine.
And if one out of ten machines needs data recovery they can spend 5000 bucks
on the recovery and still break even. If you check pricing, you'll find
that 5000 bucks is at the high end of what a single-drive standard-priority
data recovery will cost. For 500 bucks on a typical laptop I'd expect
something beyond replacing the drive. Now if it also includes
broken-screen coverage it's probably reasonable.
And most likely void any existing warranty? Try again.
Doesn't work that way. I put in a number of years doing technical support
for IBM in their Thinkpad department. Even though it was Windows OS, some of
the hardware at IBM is always proprietary (including hard drives) as are
changes to the OS in contract with Microsoft. Dell is exactly the same.
There aren't any other OS' with all the proper drivers. That among other
reasons are why companies like IBM and DELL are able to stay in business, at
least in this particular type of computer section. In most repects, you're
forced to buy their products to keep something working properly.
Try investigating a little more. When I worked Thinkpad, it was technical
support for the continental USA. Not Canada, not overseas, just the USA. The
OS as I stated above, had plenty of proprietary code in it. You quote all
the legal rhetoric you want, but my experience tells me what *was*, not what
you've read that it should be.
And you'd be very, very wrong. Try calling a professional data recovery
centre and ask them about charges for an entire hard drive ~ even a
relatively small one, say a forty gigger. Ask them what it would cost and
come back here to tell me that I'm wrong. I challenge you to ask around and
find ONE person has has demanded and received data recovery for any reason!
Not the reloading of the OS, but the recovery of personally loaded
Not a chance in hell. Sorry, but you're delusional if you think that
*ANYBODY* is going to offer information recovery on a retail purchase. It
would set a very dangerous and costly precedent and then everybody would
demand it. I've had salesmen screaming their heads off that they're going to
sue IBM for everything they've got. Not once did we ever pay for data
recovery. Warranties are limited to replacement of hardware, not to any type
of information that's been loaded or saved by the user. It's the user's
responsibility to back up any personal information in case of drive failure.
Just the fact that you're suggesting it tells me you have absolutely no
experience in this area.
A great many users of Thinkpads are sales people, business people and the
working person. Although prices have come down in recent years, the higher
end laptops are greatly purchased by professionals, the ones that can afford
to spend that kind of money. Everyday, I had people calling for a
walkthrough with the recovery CD. How many experience the loss of the OS at
one time or another? I'd guestimate at better than 50%. It happens to
everybody at one time or another. Everybody loads programs that aren't
supported by the manufacturer, programs that screw up some settings or they
get a virus or whatever, it happens to everyone.
I suspect that you're going to try to tell me that it's Dell laptops we're
talking about, not Thinkpads, but it's the same industry, just a different
name. Like I said, you call one or two data recovery centres and then tell
me what they told you. I'll take you at your word.
I was going the data recover route once and your right. It was going to cost
right at 4 grand and then no guarantee that they could fully recover the
data. I don't remember the name of the place, but it was out in Denver. I
had some data on my Dell that I really needed, but not to the tune of 4
grand. And being a crap shoot on top of that??? Dell laughed at me when I
asked them about recovery.
No, I'm not saying anything about the failure rates, but the way I was
reading it, the extra 500 bucks warranty you, or somebody, was talking about
should have included recover. I may be wrong. I've got nothing against Dell,
but I didn't buy another one when that one took a dump. I can get crappy
support from any of them. Backing out now.
You worked Thinkpad support and yet you are not aware that IBM Internet site
provides detailed instructions on the procedures to be used to install
non-IBM-provided Windows on Thinkpads? You just blew your cred there.
Which has exactly what to do with the illegality of voiding warranties due
to the installation of third-party components?
Already did. About 1500 bucks.
Well, just about anybody who had certain models of Fujitsu drive and felt
like collecting for openers.
We aren't talking about the warranty that comes with the box, we are talking
about an additional warranty purchased at extra cost. Do strive to pay
Which has exactly what to do with disk failure?
In the post to which you are responding I addressed this point. But you
conveniently snipped that part.
And why is it that you no longer work in Thinkpad Support? Were you excess
to Lenovo's requirements?
Really? How about giving me the name of the company and their phone number
so I can verify that price.
And just as an aside, how does the amount of $1500 back up your claim that
an extended warranty of $500 that Leon paid should include hard drive
replacement *and* data recovery. Right away, it's obvious that it would
never be profitable or meet a break even level for any company to offer
recovery service with their computers.
But, forget that. Give me the name and phone number of the data recovery
company you called. I'd like to hear what they have to say.
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