I flew back from 3 days in Brisbane this afternoon, so first, let me say -
you guys are nuts. I sat eating my breakfast in the mall opposite the Casino
under a gas heater, and I was sweating. I had my jacket off and was
surrounded by shivering, gloved-up and beanied Brisbanites. Quite a surreal
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. My personal view on the DAGS is that I do
not mind helping a person who asks a question. Sometimes I will do extended
research to find the answer for someone, then post it for all. However, if a
person appears not to know about Google searches, I will tell them. I stop
helping anyone who doesn't help others or who consistently fails to show any
inclination to help themselves (thankfully these are few and far between).
Thee are a number who ask "dumb" questions repeatedly, but try to help out
where they can - and I don't think people mind helping them at all. There
have been some others that *demand*
help, abuse those who suggest Google and
complain when given a Google search link - they tend to be responded to in
kind. Then there are variations in between that draw a variety of responses;
as you would know, that is the nature of Usenet.
Is it more rude for the group to ask someone to use Google (even
occasionally), than it is for a new member to expect to be part of a group
that uses Google as a resource, but not attempt to use Google in the same
manner as the other members?
It takes me, on average, three to 8 seconds to initiate a Google search and
get a response (usually thousands). It can take up to a minute to formulate
a post and send it. I am then forced to wait a few minutes to a day to get
an answer, if at all. So the use of Google is more efficient initially. If
I don't find what I want, I then post a question (ok, not always - but
mostly), and usually will mention that Google has been consulted.
using Google is a waste of someone's time, continued failure to use
Google (even occasionally) can annoy people. In your analogy of the mates at
the bar - I fully agree with you. But these are not mates, they are
strangers (to the newbie). Go into any bar in Brisbane tonight and sit down
with a bunch of strangers and start asking for directions. If someone offers
you a map, refuse it and state that you prefer personal responses. Follow
this up by asking for more directions. Some people may humour you (may), but
the tone of the conversation will change. Then leave, and have a friend go
in and repeat the process. For a realistic experience, choose a builder's
I guess in a way it is like some people's attitude to those on the dole.
There are those who believe they should work to earn it, others will think
it is ok to do nothing and live off the government. The general view usually
lies somewhere in between. ie, at some point self help is necessary.
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