Changes to my site

Windoze comes with only about 6 standard scaleable fonts, and sets equivalencies for other common styles. The computer font world and the printing business are _worlds_ apart...

Greg G.

You could set up the titles as pictures - use your font on a white background in an image editing program like PhotoShop. Then call up that jpeg or gif as an image in the page layout. This way it wouldn't matter how the viewer's machine sees fonts, it'll size perfectly since it's no longer a font.

BD WestSide isn't all that uncommon, but as noted, it apparently is an undersized font. I downsized it considerably and moved the head a bit to see how that works.

No idea what copyright issues would be involved.

Someone else commented on the font being on many machines: I think it is common with either WordPerfect or Word, both of which I have loaded, so should be in many machines. If what I've done now doesn't straighten it out, I'll have to change, say Times Roman or Arial (but Arial is larger than TR, too).

I don't want to use 57 fonts per page, but I've used the WestSide throughout in headers and had no problems until these two pages. Got another page, on handplanes, almost ready to go up. For consistency, I'll need to go back and change the others, if I can't work this out. Pfui. I do NOT like the way Arial looks as a large header.

Thanks. I'll see what SiteBuilder lets me do. I learn a bit more about SB daily, so will probably find a way, some time later this morning.

Yeah, but I'm not in the printing business. The fonts installed on my machine are common fonts...hell, I'd love to ditch some of them, but, as usual, that's a PITA, and the little accessory programs that supposedly help out mostly work nicely until you discover the fonts are still present. I'm pretty sure that the font I used came from either Word or WordPerfect, though it might have been from PhotoShop Elements or PaintShop Pro,not exactly uncommon programs these days.

I like it. When time permits, I hope later today as I'm assembling things for the next page, I'll give that a try...for the next page, which probably won't go up for a week or so. I've got to do some real work today and the rest of the week or I'll have a publisher or two ready to choke me.

I understand. There is an Arial Black that is thicker when at large point sizes... Courier looks like crap, but most systems come with the Lucida font as well.

WestSide must be a WordPerfect font, because I have two versions of Office Professional Developer on my system, along with hundreds of other programs and a few games, and still do not have that font...

There is a font viewer utility on your system that will allow you to view all installed fonts. Unfortunately, it does not tell you which program littered your hard drive with the hundreds of unused fonts you probably don't use or want...

You could create a GIF of the header with the desired font and download as a picture, but that is slower for those dial-up types. HTML is much faster...

And lastly, if you will use Style Sheets, changes to your fonts are trivial and site wide - Look for help on "CSS". You give styles names like Header1 and Header2, etc, and there is a .css file that contains the definitions. Edit the definition, the whole site changes with it. It was designed for just such problems...

FWIW,

Greg G.

"Greg G." schreef

However, it is quite possible to select more than one font for any particular heading and make a list of first-preferred font, second-preferred font, third-preferred font, etc which the browser will all try to apply before going to the default font. PvR

And those 6 fonts would be the ones that I am talking about.

Yabbut, how come Marines always manage to hang on to their hair?

My wife calls it my Indian hair. You'd have to see a picture of my father to really understand, I guess, but he was about 1/2 Injun somewhere along the line in the Oklahoma branch of the family. The way he looked, it might have been closer to 99%.

Anyway, it used to be really thick, as the shot of me on the OSSA shows. Of course, that was nearly 35 years ago.

Met an 82 year old lady a couple of weeks back whose hair was thick and dark brown. I originally thought it was dyed, but later in the conversation her husband mentioned her hair. She was part Cherokee, and apparently her whole family has never turned grey.

FWIW, I use both Firefox and MSIE 6, with the former being default.

With Firefox the "P" in "Photo and Words" is obscured by the Pentax camera jpg, all the other pages/images/text combinations looks fine.

With MSIE the Pentax camera jpg is not a problem on that page, but the UsefulInfo.html page, which has a large number of issues with the bold text headers superimposed over other text, is basically unreadable.

The content of that page is so superb that it's a shame it is obscured to a great degree for MSIE users, which, like it or not, is the most used web browser on the net.

Just my .02 ...

... as an old "virtual notepad" html coder in the early days of the web (basically moved on to other things just after "cascading style sheets" were introduced) who hasn't run a "view source" in a few years, it is amazing the number of useless tags generated by the supposedly WYSIWYG html "editors" these days ... and I thought FrontPage was bad.

I was a programmer for many decades, but after retiring I didn't wnat to learn yet another langusge. Nor did I want to use vendor-specific extensions on my web pages. I tried a few different HTML programs and settled on Netscape Composer (AKA Mozilla Composer). I never really looked to see how good the HTML generation was, but I know it was the simplest (non-vendor-specific) program I found with the capabilities I needed.

No, I don't own stock in the product, I just pass along my experience hoping it may help others.

If I were sure what tags were useless...and so on, but the only way I can see to tell is to spend a lot more time fiddling with the HTML than I have to spare.

I have taken someone's suggestion, though, and changed the major headers to JPEGs. I unthinkingly started another page, though, on hand planes, and that is almost ready to go, minus about a dozen photos I need to shoot late in the week. So I'm in a quandary. It's either put up an unillustrated, incomplete page, or sit on all the changes until next weekend, in the hope I have time to spend my bit of weekly shop time with a camera in one hand.

And your point is what? My point was to _use_ one of these std fonts. His page is using an off-the-wall font known as BD WestSide.

But he doesn't like the look of the STD fonts, and has chosen to use the aforementioned font instead. It doesn't match up to anything and there are no built in equivalencies for it. I have hundreds of TT and OT fonts and I don't have it either. So the pages are wonkered in several browsers, including MSIE and Konqueror on Linux.

FWIW,

Greg G.

Not to be argumentative, but that is why I said "if you will use Style Sheets, changes to your fonts are trivial and site wide".

I didn't claim it would solve his layout problem, which stems from the use of absolute positioning with layers.

It simply makes site wide changes to fonts easier than editing 30 pages manually. I do this for a living... ASP, HTML, JAVA, etc.

:-)

FWIW,

Greg G.

Just my opinion, but a note at the top that the page is under construction and is incomplete, so check back later, will insure that most interested in the first place will re-visit.

All in all, a damn good design concept - lots of INFORMATION, with no whiz/bling/bang/flash to detract for those not suffering from ADD.

In short, it's doing what you want it to do ... and that is ALL that counts.

BD Westside is installled on 95% of computers? Wow. I Did Not Know That.

I also think it's Not So.

djb

An excellent example of using style sheets is at