Which is probably going to stay that way. I brought it up on my laptop, one
of the more irritating machines in my life, and discovered the headline
overlaps. Those are caused, as is the rest of it, by other machines not
offering exactly the same text I used in the headlines. Thus, when my BD
Westside 72 pt. heads came up as 72 pt. Arial, the size increased
tremendously. I shrunk those down to 48 pts, which looks like shit in this
old print guy's estimation, but is the only way to get it in.
I dunno what to do about the rest: my laptop only has 128 megs, so working
up the site, dealing with AOL's asininities, and putting up photos is
something it won't do. I can't check. The rest of my machines work fine with
I'll keep piddling, but I doubt it will ever be exactly right for everyone
unless I set the whole thing in 14 pt. Arial, which ain't gonna happen. I
use that type face a lot, but it is a curse when it is on a web site as a
replacement text because point for point it is probably 20% larger than
almost any other typeface.
It is a good lesson in why so many web sites have to go with flash and other
crap: stable, stationary layouts do not exist as they do in the print world.
The ONLY font used that is not common, though it really is, is the BD
Westside. The rest is Arial.
Arial was the default on-line for most machines...I don't even know if
Courier will come up on-line. I've sure never seen it and never hope to.
Times Roman won't do, because then machines that default to Arial, as many
seem to, will pop up with stuff all over the place, because Arial is, as I
said, about 20% larger.
I guess I change the headers to Arial, but a bit later. What a frigging
pity. It's a decent font, but it is sure not the be-all, end-all or even
smack in the frigging middle.
Yeah, but I'm not in the printing business. The fonts installed on my
machine are common fonts...hell, I'd love to ditch some of them, but, as
usual, that's a PITA, and the little accessory programs that supposedly help
out mostly work nicely until you discover the fonts are still present. I'm
pretty sure that the font I used came from either Word or WordPerfect,
though it might have been from PhotoShop Elements or PaintShop Pro,not
exactly uncommon programs these days.
And your point is what? My point was to _use_ one of these std fonts.
His page is using an off-the-wall font known as BD WestSide.
But he doesn't like the look of the STD fonts, and has chosen to use
the aforementioned font instead. It doesn't match up to anything and
there are no built in equivalencies for it. I have hundreds of TT and
OT fonts and I don't have it either. So the pages are wonkered in
several browsers, including MSIE and Konqueror on Linux.
The web has always been about structure, not layout. You can't control
how people's browsers are configured, so trying to design a web page as
if it were a printed page is a mug's game. Don't bother.
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:26:00 +0000, Charles Self wrote:
Ouch! I'll have to see if the Linux fonts do the same thing. Come to
think of it, they did when I read your site under Linux.
As one who
started his working life as a printer, it's really irritating to hear that
kind of thing. 72pt should be 72pt regardless of font.
I'm guessing, but I suspect the Westside font is undersized, since Arial
is such a common font.
You could set up the titles as pictures - use your font on a white
background in an image editing program like PhotoShop. Then call up that
jpeg or gif as an image in the page layout. This way it wouldn't matter
how the viewer's machine sees fonts, it'll size perfectly since it's no
longer a font.
I like it. When time permits, I hope later today as I'm assembling things
for the next page, I'll give that a try...for the next page, which probably
won't go up for a week or so. I've got to do some real work today and the
rest of the week or I'll have a publisher or two ready to choke me.
I do a few sites for folks and have many of the same problems that you
One easy though non-artistic short cut is to stick to arial and times roman as
much as you can, assuming that most folks have those fonts on their
Other issues are different screen resolutions and different browsers.... One of
my clients love Netscape, so I have to optimize it for that POS and view it on
NS to see the same thing that he's seeing... different line spacing, etc. than
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