Just read on another forum that Lowes and Woodcraft are coming to
Canada! What do you think of this? I think it is great news -
especially Woodcraft, because I am getting fed up with just going to
Lee Valley. Time for some choice! I just checked Lowes site and it is
already announced there. Checked Woodcraft site but couldn't find any
info' yet. Can't wait!
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:27:55 -0700, email@example.com wrote:
I stopped going to Lee Valley when they started selling yuppy toys
instead of tools. Hell, you can't work in the garden and get dirty
any more! Now I browse the catalogue, but it's like going to the flea
market. There's always a minute chance you'll see something among the
junk [I once got a great antique small yankee drill, mint, for a
dollar, and several planes for a dollar or two each]. Who needs a
gyroscope, or a long hose that attaches to your kitchen tap for
watering your houseplants without carrying around a nasty old watering
can? What happens when you disconnect the thing after every use? Do
you empty the hose, or leave it coiled around the kitchen tap and
greet every visitor in your rubber apron and gardening shoes?
Personally, I love Lee Valley's catelogs. I look forward to them. The
Christmas one in particular. I end up getting a lot of stocking stuffers
for the kids there. I think it's great.
Sure, they're a tool store that has grown to include garden stuff. Frankly,
I know a lot of woodworkers who are also into gardening (or their spouse
is) - I think it's a good fit.
That said, if you don't like the trinket stuff - DON"T BUY IT. Obviously,
enough people do like it - if you go by the store around the holidays, half
that stuff usually gets sold out by the beginning of December.
I think Lee Valley is great. I certainly welcome Woodcraft and Lowes (I
hate the Depo), but I will still be a pretty loyal Lee Valley customer.
They've always done right by me. I've received updated manuals in the mail
for products I've bought (without asking for them). I've received refund
cheques when a price has dropped. I've received replacement parts for a
product because they thought the original design was defective in some way.
While LV is not the least expensive store in town, I have to believe that
I've always got my money's worth. And when you look at the big picture
(like those things I just mentioned) - that's customer service that is
unheard of, and I appreciate it.
LV isn't all that it is cracked up to be. As has been stated on this
thread, they have lots of gimmicks and gadgets. A lot of the tools are
poor quality, they make them look good with their pictures. Most of
their stuff is made in places like China and India. If it doesn't say
made in USA or Canada in the catalogue, chances are that is where it
comes from. Yes, they are good at taking stuff back when it breaks but
it's a pain in the a** going back and forth. I am sure Woodcraft has
its problems but at least it would give LV some competition and us
Canadians would have a better choice.
To answer Dave and Bob,
- LV Hammer - massive advertising on this quite a while ago - small
hammer, head came loose on my straight away and later the shaft broke.
Had a look at the one on display and there were gaps in the top where
the handle goes in the head. They are cheap imports.
- Life-time screwdrivers they adverstise - I guess they will last a
lifetime, if you keep taking them back. The head twisted off mine.
- Engineers squares - haven't seen one yet that is accurate
- New Veritas Mk 2 honing guide - not able to hold my chisels; they
just skew in the holder so I took it back.
These are not signs of quality. I can go on, but these are a few
You may have got a dud. I assume you contacted LV and they replaced
it/refunded your money? I haven't used it, so can't comment.
The site says "These screwdrivers come with a lifetime guarantee when
used for driving screws (as opposed to chipping concrete or random use
as a pry bar) and will be cheerfully replaced free of charge as
required." Pretty clear to me.
Haven't used, can't comment.
Works with my chisels and plane blades to my satisfaction.
That's four tools. You said "A lot of the tools are poor quality, they
make them look good with their pictures."
As I said, your experience contrasts sharply with mine, and I have a
"lot" of their tools.
Sounds more like bad luck than bad tools. I sink more of my income into that
evil store than I care to admit, and am continually impressed by the quality
of their tools...and they get a hell of a workout around here.
Woodcraft could be useful, but Lowes? I take it your area does not
have a Home Depot (not that HD is actually better then Lowes, they carry
mostly similar stuff)
I take it you area doesn't have House of Tools or Canadian Tire either.
Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org
We have KMS tools which is usually much cheaper than House of Tools.
There is Bosstools online as well but they carry very little in the way of hand
I just wish Lee Valley would stop using the post office for delivery. I won't
buy again until the do.
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