I am brand new to woodworking. In fact, I have never built anything but
rudimentary shelving for the pantry. I want to tackle a
shelving/cabinet/server for my dining room. This is going to be a behemoth
project as the height will be 8 ft and the width 15 ft. It will include
doors, a table(server complete with electrical outlet), and different sized
shelves. I would love to know if there are plans out there for such a
project. I have limited knowledge, but hope to gain a lot through
experience and help from others. My family just bought an older house
(1967) that just has no storage. So I need to rectify that problem. I will
probably start by trying a closet system, but plan to have the built-in done
by the end of summer. What do you folks think. What are some tools I will
Not to be rude, here, but you should really search this group with your
more specific questions. There is more info in the archives than you
could shake a stick at. Don't be afraid to search for specific topics,
questions or answers either.
Right now you are at "I'm gonna build a large nice car from a pile of
raw metal, and I was wondering what tools I should get and where I can
get some instruction and maybe some plans. I don't know how to weld,
hand grind, shape metal, the proper lubricants for drilling aluminum,
steel or iron, and I have never upholstered or fine finished anything.
But I intend to learn along the way. Oh yeah, I'm gonna start with a
bicycle first, learning as I go and my skills should be in place by the
end of the summer."
I know you mean well, but there are too many styles to build in,
techniques, tips, tricks, tools, madatory skills you need to learn,
(and on and on) to cover with a quick post. And as you will find,
everyone has their own take on how to do things, based on their
opinion, skill level, and how well certain things work for them.
If I were you I would go to the library and check out as many books on
this subject as I could find. Also, the Time Life guys always have
tons of books in the 1/2 price or used book stores. Some of them are
quite good and have different levels of skill and tools requirements
addressed in their project lists.
: Hello all,
: I am brand new to woodworking. In fact, I have never built anything but
: rudimentary shelving for the pantry. I want to tackle a
: shelving/cabinet/server for my dining room. This is going to be a behemoth
: project as the height will be 8 ft and the width 15 ft. It will include
: doors, a table(server complete with electrical outlet), and different sized
: shelves. I would love to know if there are plans out there for such a
Jim Tolpin has a book called Built-In Furniture, from Taunton Press.
At Amazon it's
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I've seen it at Border's and Barnes and Noble as well (and possibly
Woodcraft). That's the place to start.
I have limited knowledge, but hope to gain a lot through
: experience and help from others. My family just bought an older house
: (1967) that just has no storage. So I need to rectify that problem. I will
: probably start by trying a closet system, but plan to have the built-in done
: by the end of summer. What do you folks think. What are some tools I will
: need, etc.
Tablesaw with a good blade
router if you want to cut molding profiles
-- Andy Barss
If what you say is true, your ambition far exceeds your skill for such a
Doable, but time consuming, and way more expensive unless you already own
the tools to do it correctly ... and it's a shame to go through all that and
not be totally happy with the results.
If you're really interested in woodworking at that level, put this
particular project on the backburner, take some woodworking classes at a
local community college and learn the tools, go to the library, and start
gaining the knowledge it takes to do built-ins by starting on smaller
While built-ins appear easier than building furniture, they are tricky to do
correctly, particularly in an older house ... and what you are proposing to
embark upon will effect the value of your home for better or worse.
Just my tuppence ...
Take a class,watch the DIY 24 hour woodworking (WW) channel, borrow
some WW videos.Take WW magazines and books out of the library.Some
areas have co-op shops that you could build pieces in without the
investment.Some areas have WW clubs. Dont buy a bunch of equipment
without knowing if you like the hobby enough.
I'd like to perform an appendectomy on my wife, but I don't have any
medical training or equipment, and my hands are a little shaky. But I
figure if I can find a book or two, and get that kitchen knife really
sharp, I should be a surgeon by the end of the week...
Hell- what is it about carpentry that makes every fool who found a
hammer at the Home Depot think he's got what it takes to tear down
half the house as an experiment after he's successfully hung a picture
Greg, go into the backyard and build yourself a shed, then some
birdhouses and maybe a little end table or two. Get a book on framing
and start small. If that works out for you and you enjoy it, then by
all means, move up to the bigger stuff. Don't jump into this one
first, it's going to whip you.
You're saying you've got no storage space, and I can sympathize- but
to make more storage space, especially at the scale you're describing
involves at least 8 or 9 specialized trade skills, and at least a few
years of cabinetmaking skills. That's not even looking at the table-
there's another ball of wax entirely. If you need some more closet
space, make a little closet in the corner and see if you are able to
frame it, run the electrical, sheetrock and tape it properly, paint
it, trim it and hang the door. That way, if it looks like Charlie
Brown made it when you're done, you can take it out fairly easily and
you only lost a couple hundred bucks in materials, and you'll have
some new tools to play with. You haven't done it, so you don't know
if you can or not. Some guys can do amazing things the first time
around, most make a huge mess that is actively dangerous- it takes a
long time to learn to finish a project properly, and the last thing
you want to do is overreach the first time out.
You can do whatever you want, but I'd be looking for a good divorce
lawyer if you think you're going to *learn* how to do all of that in
the middle of your house. "I plan to have the XXXX done by the end of
the summer" are famous last words. I'm not just blowing off steam,
it's a genuine warning to you- this happens to a lot of people, and
then guys like me will charge you a lot of money to tear it out and
redo it the right way.
My lovely bride made me watch a DIY show last night with Roger Clemons
giving a condo to a family stuck by tragedy. (The only good part of the
The carpenter, turned furniture maker made me cringe. He made a couch
shaped like a baseball glove where the fingers were the back of the couch.
Cheap plywood and MDF, screws and no structural support for anything.
I was hoping the carpenter would sit in it, and fall on his back! It was
That and the "extreme makeover BS.
For a while we were doing drywall repairs on behalf of ABC Pest
Control. Once or twice a month one of their guys managed to step
through someone's ceiling. But, we actually had one woman ask us if we
could put 50 people in her house and remodel her whole kitchen in a
single day. She "seen 'em" do it on TV in one hour!
Swingman's right, they "seen it" on TV!
Yep. I was watching a show on DIY where they were remodeling a
bathroom a couple of days ago, and realized what was bugging me about
what they were up to- four people were shown [supposedly] doing tasks
ranging from installing tile to laying floor to building cabinets.
The strange part? Not a single one of them had a speck of dust, a
drop of sweat, or a drip of paint or caulk anywhere on them- and they
were dressed like they were going to go out on the town.
Tom Plamann did a pretty good job of documenting what's involved in
building a bedroom wall unit. That a look at his web site for an idea
of what you're thinking of tackling.
The responses to this post are the reason I regularly check the wreck.
Greg, good luck on your project, however you end up doing it. It's not
something I'd tackle, but it's not for me to say what you can and can't do.
At time of my response, there are maybe 15 other posts in this thread,
all of them excellent, and all of them different. It gives me an idea
where each one of you guys is coming from. Many were encouraging Greg to
sit back and think a bit more about the scope and complexity of what
this project entailed, and I can't imagine any better advice. What got
me is that nothing was mean-spirited.
I too am relatively new to this craft/hobby, and I rely on threads like
this. It tells me to slow down, take a bit of time to think things
through when no one else will.
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> Many were encouraging Greg to
> sit back and think a bit more about the scope and complexity of what
> this project entailed, and I can't imagine any better advice. What got
> me is that nothing was mean-spirited.
> I too am relatively new to this craft/hobby, and I rely on threads
> this. It tells me to slow down, take a bit of time to think things
> through when no one else will.
Fred Bingham, whose book I have repeatedly suggested reading, wrote,
"The most important tool in the boat yard is the thinking chair".
IMHO, also applies to places other than the boat yard.
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