Wireless networking - any experts out there ?

[Clive George]

So why the f*ck are you whining that ISPs don't supply what you want?

[Tim W]

Clive George wibbled on Thursday 07 January 2010 12:41

It's easier if you can mount a man in the middle attack - how many people worry of the certificate doesn't look good?

[The Natural Philosopher]

homeplug being more or less wireless through pre-laid mains cabling..

[The Natural Philosopher]

Dennis. Nothing is safe of and by itself.

It's the way things are put together.

But, unlike you, I have actually RUN an ISP. Not a big one, and not recently, but yes, I DO know what security is all about and how hard it is to tap a switched wired network without specialised hardware.

And even then, the sort of loads it will impose are likely to be noticed. |t an ISP anyway. Not at home of course.

[The Natural Philosopher]

*You* don't, dennis.

You are simply a plonker who reads stuff and regurgitates it without it ever having passed through any thinking.

You are George Brown AICM$5

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[The Natural Philosopher]

Dennis thinks he's in 'spooks'

The man who can tap an optical fibre in microseconds, and has the ten to a hundred grands worth of hardware to filter it.

In his white van, parked suspiciously by the optical cable sneaking out of the cabinet.

[Mike Barnes]

MM :

Those cables and pipes were either installed when the house was built, or installed later with a great deal of mess and inconvenience. I don't see how that supports your idea that retrofitting network wiring is a trivial matter.

I find it hard to believe that this needs pointing out, but apparently it does, so here goes... The point of trolling is to make *other* people look stupid.

[Clive George]

You've utterly failed, because right now I'm using a laptop in a place where running a cable from the router would be tedious, and it is secure enough. I've not had any problems with reliability at all, contrary to the naysayers on this group.

You've missed the points I've made which is that it works well enough, is easy enough to set up, makes commercial sense to offer, and offers advantages in quite a few situations - and I'm in one of them now.

In some ways it was a bit nerdy at christmas watching all the younger members of the family with their laptops out - 6 of us in one room. But it worked, and would be really tedious to set up with wires. That was with a default ISP supplied router (not my house).

[Jules]

Oh, how I laughed :-)

In Den-den's world, passwords appear in plain-text on the screen, and you can you enhance security camera images indefinitely...

[MM]

Elsewhere in the thread I have referred to a 10mm hole in the ceiling. If you think it's hard to route Cat5e cable, don't buy a hammer!

MM

[MM]

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[Clive George]

Apologies, that was Mark. "I wish ISPs would not supply wireless routers too."

[dennis]

ah well, I ran (after building it) a model of some of the BT 21cn network complete with ISP and data center. (Nothing big, a few 80G atm switches, some server irons, a few inverse caches, a couple of DSLAMs, some 160G wdm kit, loads of cisco kit, etc. oh about £1M of TV broadcast kit supplied by BBC technology). and you obviously have no idea about the hardware or you would have looked at port mirroring and realised that the hardware is already there to tap into a link and with little overhead. Now run along and stop pretending you know about networks and security.

[dennis]

Its easy when you have idiots that think they are safe. Its the paranoid ones that are hard to hack.

[dennis]

Maybe ubuntu needs to support dual mode touch screens and pen tablets?

never had that problem, that's me and a few tens of million others.

[Jules]

Was your model made out of cardboard and bits of string?

[Mike]

Surely there was also some sticky backed plastic?

[Frank Erskine]

And a toilet roll tube. And poster paint.

Oh - and a washing-up liquid bottle, of course. But get a grown-up to cut it for you though.

O/T, I notice that JS now do washing-up crème now, rather than washing-up liquid.