Wiki: Slide digitizer

another one to play with....

NT

This simple gadget makes it easy to DIY digitize old slides & negatives.

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it== ===Camera platform=== No camera platform is needed, a mounting bolt (as used on tripods) will ensure its always in the right place. The platform is offset to one side so that when the camera sits in the middle of the platform its correctly positioned. It was cut to fit the camera's feet, and positioned so the lens would be in the centre of the board.

Check the [[screws]] are properly countersunk to avoid any bumps under the camera. Since we're only screwing into thin board, a countersink must be cut before inserting the screws.

===Slide holder=== The wire slide holder was made from 2mm [[iron wire]]. 1.6mm is rigid enough, but 2mm was chosen to ensure it survives a degree of abuse without damage. Thicker wire would make working it hard going.

Power up the camera, place it on the platform, and holding the slide in one hand, move the slide until its position suits the camera. It needs to almost fill the camera frame, and of course the camera must be able to focus on it ok. When a satisfactory position is found, mark where the slide needs to be on the baseboard, and drill a pilot hole there in the centre for the screw.

Before making the slide holder, we need to determine at what height it needs to hold the slide. Measure the height from baseboard to the centre of the camera lens. This equals the height we want from baseboard to the centre of the slide. Subtract half the slide height and you've got the distance from baseboard to the bottom edge of the slide.

Make the wire slide holder, starting at the bottom and working up. The wires that support the bottom of the slide should be horizontal so that any slight sideways movement of the slide doesn't make it rotate. Put the slide into place after every bend you make, so you can correct any misalignment before continuing. The main thing is to avoid bending the wire that's already been bent, so a pair of long thin nose pliers was used to hold the already bent wire still, while the new bends were made just using hands. Finally a few scrapes of a file smoothed off the cut wire. The wire work took about 5 minutes.

3D views of the slide holder to show how it works. in use and empty.

===Negative holder=== You may want to add a separate negative holder placed as close as possible to the slide holder, right behind it. Almost any computer image manipulation program can turn negatives into positives. Check the wire of the negative holder doesn't intrude on the slide's picture area. Negatives aren't rigid, so ideally use more wire framing to support the neg as fas as possible.

Another option is to use an empty slide frame as a negative carrier. Minor modification of a plastic slide carrier allows negatives to be slid through. This option was chosen for the model pictured.

===Camera mounting bolt===

- as used by tripods etc. I didn't fit one initially, and its not essential. Adding one makes the digitizer usable while hand held. It makes it a bit easier to use too.

A bolt fits through a hole drilled in the baseboard, and screws into the base of the camera to hold it still. Fit a wingnut onto the bolt and tighten it hard aginst the bolt head; now you can operate the mounting bolt by hand. (There are various other ways to improvise this of course.) The standard camera mounting bolt thread is 1/4" whitworth.

With a [[bolt]] head sticking out the bottom the board will need feet adding. These might be a strip of the baseboard cut off and [[glue]]d on the underside at each end.

==Light== Any light source used is very out of focus to the camera, and this fact is used to eliminate marks and pixellation, common issues with ad- hoc light sources. The baseboard is left long to ensure light sources are always strongly defocussed.

This defocussing doesn't mean you can use an uneven light source, any source used needs to present an even light field.

===sky=== The sky is the best ad-hoc light source. It provides plenty of light, and plenty of blue content. The digitizer can sit flat on a table outdoors looking at white card at a 45-ish degree angle. Direct sun isn't needed.

===monitor=== A computer monitor displaying blank white (eg windows notepad) on max brightness doesn't provide anywhere near enough light for a digital camera to achieve decent shutter speed or ISO. Because the slide area is so small, it must be strongly lit to make the camera happy.

===lamp=== A 100w lamp could be used to light white paper just inches from the bulb. Ensure you don't end up with the paper on the bulb though. This will never give as good quality as skylight, as the blue output of domestic lighting is low.

==Macro lens== Some sort of macro lens is required to enable focussing on the small slide just inches away. There are 3 possible ways to do this:

===macro lens=== These are available for SLR style cameras. Changing the lens is not practical for other camera types.

===extension tube=== This is a tube that goes between a standard lens and the camera body. This changes the optical characteristics of the whole lens assembly, enabling close up work. Again these can only be used with SLR cameras. These are much cheaper than a macro lens, but less flexible.

===external lens element=== This option can be used with all types of camera. A single additional lens element is placed as below, resting gently against the built in camera lens. This enables the camera to focus on very close objects, which is needed for a small slide to fill the frame.

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====Choosing a lens===== A lens of +6D works with zoom equipped digital cameras. Cameras with no zoom are more fussy about exact lens strength, and generally need a stronger lens. For these the procedure below is advisable.

To determine the exact lens strength you need, power up the camera on the baseboard, setting it to minimum aperture if possible. Move the slide by hand until its image nearly fills the camera's frame - it will be heavily out of focus, don't worry about that for now. Mark the slide's position. Now, the lens you need will have a focal length of approximately the distance from the slide to the camera. To convert this to diopters:

  • D = 1 / focal length in metres

When this doesn't precisely equal an available lens strength, pick the next lower diopter value.

==Exposure== The camera adjusts its exposure according to the amount of light and dark in the slide picture. With automatic exposure adjustment this often results in overexposure, losing picture detail. Part of the cause is that with slides the ratio of average light level to peak white in the picture is generally significantly lower than paper photos, and digital cameras tend not to respond correctly to this. A simple solution is to set the cam to use exposure bracketing. This way each shutter press produces 3 pictures, with one lighter and one darker than it judges best.

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meow2222
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember snipped-for-privacy@care2.com saying something like:

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Grimly Curmudgeon

negatives.

I used a cardboard box with holes cut for the negative and the camera lens.

The negative was taped to the box and the camera focussed on the negative.

Shone daylight through the negative.

I then used adobe photoshop to make the picture positive and adjust the contrast etc.

The results were fairly reasonable for photos taken over 50 years ago.

I invested in a slide scanner for my 35mm slides and negatives.

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chudford

Do you mean you think people need telling how to do basic operations with graphics software? If so it strikes me as a bit outside the remit of the page.

NT

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meow2222

In message , snipped-for-privacy@care2.com writes

quality wasn't so good, not good contrast, and variable results due to changes in ambient lighting

spent a few crinklies on a proper scanner - better job all round

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geoff

I'm still looking for a scanner that'll handle 126 slides (AKA instamatic). The mount is standard 2x2, but the film is square, narrower and higher than a 35mm. All the scanners I've seen crop the image vertically.

Andy

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Andy Champ

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember snipped-for-privacy@care2.com saying something like:

No, I mean your jury-rig is open to all the fecking light that's bouncing around the room.

Chudford got exactly what I meant and immediately solved it.

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Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Champ saying something like:

Any of the MF (120) capable scanners will handle that. Nearly any of the

35mm-only will too, if you manually crop instead of letting it auto.
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Grimly Curmudgeon

I have an "Epson Perfection V200 Photo" 4800 dpi optical resolution scanner which I use for 35mm B&W and colour films, and slides. It is absolutly brilliant and can be had for £60. It takes a strip of 6 x 35mm frames or 4 x 2"x2" mounted slides. I don't know for sure if it will do your 126 slides but the width of the lamp illuminating the slides is

38mm, so there is a good chance it will scan most if not all their height.

I bought it a year ago following first class reviews in Computer Shopper, here

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do have a dedicated Minolta Dimage "medium fomat" film scanner for my old 2 1/4" x 3 1/4" negs which will also take 35mm strips and single (only) slides, but the V200 actually produces better results from 35mm films and slides, and has much better control software too, and includes a surprisingly accurate OCR package. Oh, and its a pretty good A4 flatbed scanner too, producing cracking copies of photo prints!

With that available at around £60, I can't see the mediocre results from a DIY lash-up worthwhile, unles its just to prove you can do it

Phil

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Phil Addison

Auto crop detects the edges of the image where its cropped by the film holder or slide mount, so its unlikely to differ from manual settings unless you have an image with a very dark edge. The limitation is firstly the availability of a 2x2 holder, and then having a sufficiently wide light source behind it. In fllatbed transparency scanners there is a light source in the lid to shine through the image. This light source is never A4 size, but is a narrow strip just wide enough to cover the specified film, typically the size of a strip of 4 or 6 35mm negs. As mentioned above the V200 is a bit wider at 38mm, but whether it illuminates evenly, or at all, beyong the 24mm widh of standard 2x2 slides I don't know.

Medium Format scanners will of course do the job, but are expensive.

Phil

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Phil Addison

If you only have a few of these, you might be able to fudge it by offsetting the oversize film in a standard scanner, then making separate top and bottom scans and joining them together with Photo Shop or Paint Shop Pro.

Phil

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Phil Addison

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Phil Addison saying something like:

Not any more, they're not. My point still stands - preview scan and crop manually. The backlight in the lid of a 35mm scanner will easily cover 126 - it's just 35mm film, basically.

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Grimly Curmudgeon

In a related note, I gave up trying to find one that'd handle DEC microfiche (something like 13 x 11 A4 pages crammed onto a fiche about 1" x 1.5") - the resolution needed is enormous.

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Jules

Same here. I now have a fiche reader with printer, so (laboriously) I can print pages and scan them - these are DEC microfiche...

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Bob Eager

All the 35mm ones I've seen have a 35mm-shaped mask built into the slide holder. Which ones do you know of that don't?

Thx

Andy

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Andy Champ

Seems to be out of production :( but that's interesting - I'd never seen a flatbed that can do a decent job. If they've got good enough - and it looks like it'll pull in about 10mp, which is plenty - if the optics are adequate it would do the job. I'll see what reviews say about the V300.

Thanks

Andy

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Andy Champ

Scanning bureau can scan fiche to file, the more automatable the the process is the cheaper it is.

Owain

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Owain

But still expensive for several thousand! Only need a few - but don't know until I need them, which ones...

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Bob Eager

I have a scanjet 4890 that will do transparencies up to A4, it was ~ £100. Its not the quickest thing in the world though. It comes with holders for 5 strips of 6 35 mm, 16 slides, 4x3 and a few others.

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dennis

My scanner does an optical resolution of 4800x4800 ppi. I doubt if the film used to create the microfiche has a higher resolution. It will show the grain on common films with ease. There are scanners that will do 9600x9600 at a reasonable price.

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dennis

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