Wiki: Chuck

additions welcome, I've not taken an sds one apart yet.

NT

==Chuck types== Keyless: Quick & easy to use, but bits have a habit of coming loose, especially with hammer use.

Keyed chuck: these give the best grip, but are less convenient to use than keyless. Loss of the key wastes time if not attached to the mains lead.

SDS, SDS+: 2 slightly different names for the exact same thing. Various performance advantages over the older types of chuck.

SDS max: larger heavier duty version of SDS+

==Non-SDS chucks==

===Keys=== There are different key sizes.

The key can be attached to the mains lead with a cable tie to avoid wasting time.

===Replacement=== Replacing a chuck is a fairly easy job, and doesn't cost much.

  • Ensure the replacement is the right size of thread, and takes a suitable maximum size of tools.
  • Some chucks are unsuitable for hammer use, and some hammerable chucks are unsuitable for SDS use, which applies much greater forces.

===Removal=== # Open the chuck jaws wide. # Unscrew the [[screw]] down the centre between the jaws. These often have a reverse thread and can be very tight. A manual [[impact driver]] can be useful. # Insert chuck key, or attach locking pliers to the top of a keyless chuck # Tap the key with a [[hammer]] to unscrew the chuck from the drill

===Repair=== Whether the chuck is sticking, loosening unwantedly or the teeth are out of position, the repair procedure is much the same. Remove the chuck from the drill, remove its outer cover, and clean the parts up.

Application of [[oil]] where not appropriate can result in chucks coming undone when they shouldn't.

In some cases its possible to reassemble a broken key ring and have the chuck then work fine long term. I did this once, and have had no problem with it. The broken parts are kept in place by the outer cover, and it works perfectly.

==Disassembly== # Remove chuck from the drill, # Clamp the outer body of the chuck near the drill-ward end (don't clamp near the key tightening ring), ideally in a vice in 2 indented bits of wood. # Tap the stem towards where the drill bit tip would be, to push the chuck assembly out from the outer cover

The mechanism is simple, and self assembly is fairly self evident.

==SDS Chucks==

==See also==

[[Category:Tools]]
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NT
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Under keyless chucks, mention "single sleeve" types.

On better quality cordless tools, when the trigger is released and the chuck stops rotating, the chuck is "locked" in position and cannot turn.

Unlike other keyless chuck types, where one hand is used to stop the chuck rotating and the other to loosen the sleeve, single sleeve chucks allow the user to remain holding the tool through the normal grip and use the other hand to rotate the larger sleeve (usually covering virtually the whole chuck).

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dom

I didnt know there were any keyless ones that weren't like that. Are there?

NT

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NT

Yes, plenty of two-part sleeves where a hand is required to grip each part and term them against each other.

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dom

thanks, I've added it.

NT

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NT

Sorry NT, but my experience is that keyed chucks are rubbish compared with modern keyless ones. Perhaps on some big precision items like lathes, they may come into their own, but for the typical diy drill, the day they brought out the keyless was a huge step forward.

There are keyless and keyless though. Some are very crudely made out of soft aluminium, and some don't seem to have much of an interlock and do work loose under hammer, but others have a sort of ratcheting 'clickstop' action, which in my view is extremely impressive and knocks spots off any keyed chuck I've used.

S
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Spamlet

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==Chuck types== Keyless: Quick & easy to use. Some keyless chucks give poor grip compared to keyed, often coming loose, especially with hammer action, and some are very good. Clickstop chucks perform even better than keyed chucks.

  • 2 part sleeve: requires 2 hands to operate
  • single sleeve: requires one hand to operate. To get maximum tightening, set the drill to its lowest gear.

Keyed chuck:

  • Less convenient to use than keyless.
  • Level of grip with these is consistently good, but there are situations in which they can come loose, mainly with hammer action and large bits.
  • Loss of the key wastes time if not attached to the mains lead.

SDS, SDS+: 2 slightly different names for the exact same thing. Big performance advantages over the older types of chuck in hammer mode.

SDS max: larger heavier duty version of SDS+

==Non-SDS chucks==

===Keys=== There are different key sizes. If you get a multi-headed replacement key, it saves time to put some paint on the bit that fits.

The key can be attached to the mains lead with a cable tie to avoid wasted time searching for it.

===Replacement=== Replacing a chuck is a fairly easy job, and doesn't cost much.

  • Ensure the replacement is the right size of thread, and takes a suitable maximum size of tools.
  • Some chucks are unsuitable for hammer use, and non-SDS hammerable chucks are unsuitable for SDS use in hammer mode (SDS applies much greater forces).

===Removal=== # Open the chuck jaws wide. # Unscrew the [[screw]] down the centre between the jaws. These often have a reverse thread and can be very tight. A manual [[impact driver]] can be useful. # Insert chuck key, or attach [[Clamps|locking pliers]] to the top of a keyless chuck # Tap the key with a [[hammer]] to unscrew the chuck from the drill

===Repair=== Whether the chuck is sticking, loosening unwantedly or the jaws are out of position, the repair procedure is much the same. Remove the chuck from the drill, remove its outer cover, and clean the parts up.

Application of [[oil]] where not appropriate can result in chucks coming undone when they shouldn't.

In some cases its possible to reassemble a broken key ring and have the chuck then work fine long term. I did this once, and have had no problem with it. The broken parts are kept in place by the outer cover, and it works perfectly.

==Disassembly== # Remove chuck from the drill, # Clamp the outer body of the chuck near the drill-ward end (don't [[clamp]] near the key tightening ring), ideally in a vice in 2 indented bits of [[wood]]. # Tap the stem towards where the drill bit tip would be, to push the chuck assembly out from the outer cover

The mechanism is simple, and self assembly is fairly self evident.

==SDS Chucks== Need greasing very occasionally.

==See also==

[[Category:Tools]]

NT

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NT

Thanks NT. If that clickstop reference is from me alone, do check as I don't know the official name for them. I did have a look at those currently listed in Screwfix but couldn't see the one they used to do. (They only used to have a couple of alternatives but now they give several and just expect you to know from the brand name.)

S
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Spamlet

Looks like this Toolstation 'locking' one may be similar:

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Spamlet

Conversely, when I bought my first battery drill, a DeWalt, it came with a keyless chuck. I took it home and used it for a bit of steel drilling then popped in a hex shanked stepped drill bit. After a few fairly easy / gentle holes I went to get the bit out and couldn't. After trying some rubber strap wrenches etc (I didn't want to mark it, it was brand new) I took it back to the (proper tool) shop and offered it to them to remove. The first guy looked at me (and probably thought 'noob' or somesuch) and then proceeded to twist and turn and couldn't undo it. It then got passed through all the guys till it ended up with the shop gorilla and he gave up after nearly bursting a blood vessel.

Eventually they got the chuck open with a pair of pipe wrenches and I asked them to fit a proper chuck. That has been on there for more than

10 years now and never not worked.

I similarly fitted an all steel keyless chuck on a Hitachi hammer drill and it's forever coming undone (especially in hammer mode, as you mentioned).

The cheapo keyless on my cheapo 24V battery drill sheds it's plastic locking ring grips (although otherwise works).

If I had to choose one drill that I had to rely on I think it would have to have a traditional keyed chuck.

Cheers, T i m

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T i m

That's my experience too.

My bosch gbh2-24dfr comes with an interchangeable sds chuck and clickstop keyless chuck.

This clickstop chuck is the bees knees, easily grips large holecutter saws (it also has a two-part sleeve), never gives the slightest trouble.

Similarly my bosch cordless combi has a clickstop (on a single sleeve). Not the superb quality of the interchangable one on the sds, but nevertheless does its job.

Rather than the faq discrediting certain types of chuck, it might be fairer to say "The quality of the chuck is very important in selecting a drill. Otherwise good products may be let down by excessive cost- cutting in this area".

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dom

Same thing happened to me the other day after some heavy masonry drilling with a corded drill.

Yes, the pipe wrenches shifted it easily, and it doesn't feel like it will happen again.

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stuart noble

The funny thing for me was this stepped drill has a hex shank so I didn't do it up /that/ tight. However, that might of been part of the problem if it 'cammed up' (not something a round shanked drill could do).

As could have been the case with mine but I didn't want to risk it (the undoing of a brand new chuck with pipe grips nor it locking up again).

I can't remember having any issues with even the cheapest keyed chuck, apart from mislaying the key of course. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

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T i m

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==Overview== ===Keyed chuck=== The traditional drill chuck used for most of the 20th century.

  • Slower & less convenient to use than keyless.
  • Level of grip with these is consistently good, but there are situations in which they can come loose, mainly with hammer action and large [[Drill bit|bits]].
  • Loss of the key wastes time if not attached to the [[flex|mains lead]] (the key fairy is mischevious).

===Keyless Chuck=== Quick & easy to use, these are a real convenience advantage over keyed chucks.

However there are several subtypes of keyless chuck, with performance among such chucks inconsistent.

Some keyless chucks give poor grip compared to keyed, often coming loose, especially with hammer action. Some can occasionally overtighten in use, making bit removal very difficult. Some keyless chucks are prone to come loose when operating anticlockwise. Some are very good, particularly locking keyless chucks, which can perform even better than keyed chucks.

There are also 2 styles of sleeve arrangement:

  • 2 part sleeve: requires 2 hands to operate
  • single sleeve: requires one hand to operate. To get maximum tightening, set the drill to its lowest gear.

===SDS=== SDS offers massive performance advantages over the older types of chuck in hammer mode. There are 2 SDS chucks in use:

  • SDS, SDS+: 2 slightly different names for the exact same thing. Most SDS chucks are this size
  • SDS max: larger heavier duty version of SDS, used mainly on handheld breakers

===Hex=== Great for instant bit changes, but otherwise the worst performing chuck type

  • take a wide array of screwdriving, drilling & nutdriving bits, plus others
  • only takes hex based bits
  • small & light
  • side to side waggle
  • hex shank [[drill bit]]s are prone to breaking and spinning
  • drill bits fall out of non-locking hex chucks in use

Types:

  • Locking - pull back sleeve to release bit
  • magnetic - bit just pulls out, but drill bits tend to get left in the workpiece. Good for screws, not good with drill bits.
  • sprung - bits pull out easily, again not good for drill bits

==Keyed chucks== ===Keys=== There are different key sizes. If you get a multi-headed replacement key, it saves time to put some [[paint]] on the bit that fits.

The key can be attached to the [[flex|mains lead]] with a cable tie to avoid wasted time searching for it.

===Removal=== # Open the chuck jaws wide. # Unscrew the [[screw]] down the centre between the jaws. These often have a reverse thread and can be very tight. A manual [[impact driver]] can be useful. # Insert chuck key, or attach [[Clamps|locking pliers]] to the top of a keyless chuck # Tap the key with a [[hammer]] to unscrew the chuck from the drill

===Repair=== Whether the chuck is sticking, loosening unwantedly or the jaws are out of position, the repair procedure is much the same. Remove the chuck from the drill, remove its outer cover, and clean the parts up.

Application of [[oil]] where not appropriate can result in chucks coming undone when they shouldn't.

In some cases its possible to reassemble a broken key ring and have the chuck then work fine long term. I did this once, and have had no problem with it. The broken parts are kept in place by the outer cover, and it works perfectly.

===Disassembly=== # Remove chuck from the drill, # Clamp the outer body of the chuck near the drill-ward end (don't [[clamp]] near the key tightening ring), ideally in a vice in 2 indented bits of [[wood]]. # Tap the stem towards where the drill bit tip would be, to push the chuck assembly out from the outer cover

The mechanism is simple, and self assembly is fairly self evident.

==Keyless Chuck== ====Jammed keyless chuck==== If the chuck jams with a bit in it, apply a strap clamp to the sleeve, and tap it round with a mallet. Its often possible to stop the drill's shaft rotating by sticking something into the drill motor's cooling fan, the drill of course should be unplugged.

==Hex Chuck== These are trivial to replace and not worth repairing. There is jsut one issue sometimes found: some chucks are designed for use with 2" bits only, and the more common 1" bits sit too deep in the chuck to use. The solution is to reduce the depth of the hex hole. ways to do this include: # place 2 small screws inside, the first one head first, the 2nd point first. Tighten the 2nd screw down firm with a screwdriver. The [[screw]]s need to be the right width for this to work. # place a sheared off part of a hex bit in with folded paper down one side. Force it down. You must get the size right first time, its not possible to remove it if its wrong.

==SDS Chuck== These need greasing very occasionally.

==Replacement== Replacing a chuck is a fairly easy job, and doesn't cost much.

  • For keyed & keyless chucks, ensure the replacement is the right size of thread, and takes a suitable maximum size of tools.
  • Some chucks are unsuitable for hammer use, and non-SDS hammerable chucks are unsuitable for SDS use in hammer mode (SDS applies much greater forces).
  • Single sleeve keyless chucks rely on the drill motor not turning while being undone. Fitting one to an old drill that turns easily can make it very hard to undo. In such cases pick a 2 sleeve chuck or a keyless.
  • Screw-on chucks with no central fixing screw will tighten themselves to the drill shaft.
  • When a central fixing screw is used, ie in most cases, attach locking pliers to the chuck or insert the key, and tap it to tighten. Then open the jaws and fit the central screw firmly.
  • Drills that don't use a screw-on chuck also exist.

Chucks are available from the usual builders' merchants, or can be had off dead drills.

==See also==

  • [[Drill bit]]
  • [[Hex bit]]

[[Category:Tools]] [[Category:Repair]]

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NT

Chuck removal needs to say tap the chuck key with a hammer *in the direction of forward rotation* (no need to talk about 'clockwise/anticlockwise' or 'looking from the front or back': that will just confuse people.)

Well done. S

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