Watching the telly

Sep 30, 2021 Last reply: 3 years ago 48 Replies

Since I was sorting the kitchen out I, put the telly on. Then, because I don?t like to watch things where the performers have been chosen on racial grounds (because it?s racist) I flicked through the channels until I found a programme where that didn?t seem to be the case. It was ?Good Morning?, with Julia Bradbury talking about her imminent breast cancer operation. Obviously, because of what cancer has done to me and my late wife I was very interested. It turned out to be good, honest, public information. But oh dear! After Julia, a person called Alice Beer was wheeled on to talk about ?saving the planet?. Actually, what she said turned out to be an astonishing farrago of misunderstandings, half-truths, and worse. I just hope the general public isn?t as gullible as this programme seemed to assume. Here?s what we were told.


  1. We should *always* use the ?economy? mode for the washing machine and the dishwasher. No-one asked why the manufacturers provide programs other than ?economy?. The reason of course is that the ?economy? mode uses less heat and less water, and therefore just isn?t as effective at removing dirt and bacteria as other modes. Dangerous advice there. After all, the word ?economy? implies ?compromise?, or ?worse quality?. I use the 'economy mode' only when it seems safe to do so. Alice said that she?d conducted a straw poll and not one person was using the economy mode. She lamented this, but didn?t enquire further of course, in case she was told something she didn?t want to hear.


  1. We should only charge our phones for two hours. An unequivocal statement thus: ?All phones will charge fully in two hours.? The fact is that many new models will, but most older ones won?t. As a keen environmentalist (skinflint really) I have always resisted the temptation to destroy the planet by unnecessarily updating my electronic goods. My phone is an iPhone 6 with a new battery and it takes five hours to charge from flat, using a good lead and an Apple charger. After my two-hour evening snooze it typically climbs from 20% to 60%. If I charge it from the PC or laptop, as many people do, it takes much, much longer. Much depends on the age and type of the phone, the battery technology (Nickel charges slower than lithium for instance), the ambient temperature, the type of charger, and the type of lead. So telling people to only charge for two hours is asking them to venture out every morning with a phone that might only be half charged. More dangerous advice! Furthermore, I just rang a pal who has a power meter and asked him to check the consumption of a few phone chargers. When charging a phone they all used about 5 watts. When connected to a fully charged phone they were all between 0.1 and 0.5 watts.

  2. We shouldn?t leave things on standby. Another unequivocal statement, that ignores the reasons appliances have a standby mode. It?s fair enough with very old TV sets and satellite boxes, which can consume as much as 25 watts in standby mode (and they used to catch fire in the middle of thenight!). But for many years now legislation has limited standby power to 1 watt, and many sets use less than that; just enough to power one chip and the red standby light in fact. If you left a TV set on standby (and never used it at all) for a year it would use a maximum of a quid?s worth of electricity. So, not dangerous advice, just advice designed to make people feel good about themselves whilst actually achieving nothing. A lot of the green propaganda is like that. It spoils the case really.


  1. Turn down your heating. No thank you. I like to be comfortable. We are at the pinnacle of human progress ? as far as I?m concerned that means that no-one, especially elderly and poorly people, should be cold in the house. Those that want to go back to the miseries of ancient times are free to do so, but count me out.

  2. Don?t eat meat. But since all the pleasures of the flesh are now denied me except for the actuasl eating of flesh, I think I?ll pass on that one as well. I do have salad now and then, but it doesn?t compare at all well with a nice juicy steak. How come all the exhortations of the environmentalists involve reducing our enjoyment of life and worsening our standards of living?

Bill


I have boxes that do take less than 0.5W in DEEP standby but in normal standby it takes almost as much as being powered on.

From deep standby my boxes take maybe 60 seconds to fully power up whereas in standby only 1 to 2 seconds.

I always use quick wash for everything apart from bedding and towels.

Never used the eco wash - 3 hours my arse.

So watt is she talking about? Charge the phone when it needs charging?

Greta springs to mind.

+1. But I am am fine ATM with 16 deg temps. As I get older....

I do believe it is my turn to pay the next time we eat steak

Every one of these environmentalists should be forced to have a camera monitor them and their family 24/7 for a month so we can see how well they follow their advice.

The problem with a lot of TV reporting is lack of modern research of course. This is what happens when lay people do not ask for advice and just lift something off the web or out of an old book or perhaps a manufacturers blurb which of course is even less likely to be correct and cherry picked to show them in a good light.

I bought a new Apple charger recently, and just the one device with a suitable adaptor at the one time can run a wireless headphone base, charge my Iphone and run a couple of other usb powered low current gizmos without breaking a sweat. Some of the el cheapo ones found in a certain Rivers named store barely charge the phone and make it buzz when you use it, and incidentally use more on standby when nothing is connected as well as being a very good radio jammer. only flaw I could find with the apple device was that it needs a certain current to be drawn before it will stop pulsing its output. but as the phone has the intelligent charging in it that is not relevant to it in my use case.

As for washing machines. Yes my Panasonic on economy makes stuff smell lovely but fails to clean off blood from bedsheets should you scratch something in bed. For that you need a warmer wash and biological powder it seems. Why no more dual feed washing machines? Instead cold feed have to heat water, when much of the time there is already heated water available in the house, heated up on off peak electricity.

Brian

Actually in the studio? Not appearing via videocall? So what was the planetary damage caused by her unneccessary journey?

Owain

'Always' isn't appropriate advice. But many people misunderstand what 'economy' mode does. I take it your devices just use less water and electricity. Mine (well, the dishwasher) do that, but use less in a more efficient way - and seemingly just as effective. The downside is an economy cycle takes a lot longer.

Daytime TV journos. Not to be relied upon :-)

My dishwasher on eco setting just doesn't leave stuff dry.

The washing machine has lots of options, but apart from a few delicates, I give everything the same treatment - low temperature, no extended wash, no extra rinse, no rinse hold...

Chris

Fast (1 hour 3 minutes) or Express with heating (32 minutes) here, but we occasionally use the Eco wash if we are putting it on late at night and won't be taking it out until the morning anyway.

The tumble-dryer is used on an intermediate setting (it's a heat-pump one and saves a lot by not using the separate heating element, except on a Rapid Dry).

The dishwasher only gets used on one (intense) program.

My dishwasher whinges.. rust spots on some stainless steel knives, slow fill from only two person household leads to dried on food which leads to the boss rinsing plates, cups/mugs with continuous base rims leading to retained water.

I have used both cutlery bucket and tray and believe the tray is only better if other users bother to segregate items.

Some dishwashers (like ours) have a rinse cycle for that very reason.

Ours has sloping trays to prevent that happening

I, sort of, agree with her.

Wife used to have the house quite hot, and lounge about in a polo shirt Surely she could have put a jumper on and turned the heating down a couple of degrees. I don't mean everyone sitting about with their coats, gloves and scarves on, but a happy medium between sitting about bare naked and still sweating, and dressing like Nanook of the north yet still being cold.

Because modern washing machines use far less water than in the past. Unless there's only a very short pipe run between the hot water cylinder and the machine it will have drawn most of the water it needs from existing cold water in the pipe before the hot water arrives and will still need to use its own heater to bring it up to temperature. Some hot water from the cylinder will then be in the pipework and be effectively 'wasted' because it will cool down before next time it's needed.

My Bosch has two energy saving modes that use cold water and take 4.5 hours. I think they are just for economy ratings. Oddly, they are labelled 40 °C and 60 °C.

I charge phones and tablet until they are charged. I don't leave them charging overnight.

Recorders need to be on standby so they can wake up to record. In fact, they usually need to be on "proper" standby, not "eco" standby so they can pass the aerial signal to the TV (or a second recorder if you have one).

Did she say to what temperature? The "official" minimum for homes is 18 °C which is rather chilly if you are just sitting about. Maybe she watches TV mounted on an exercise bike. Maybe the bike has a generator powering the TV.

Hair shirts for our sins.

If you are suggesting that as dealing with dried-on food, it really doesn't.

So has mine, but sometimes the load is such that there are more problem items than will fit on those trays.

Chris

Our house came with two hot connections and one cold one in the appliance slots under the kitchen worktop. I've never figured out why. Did anyone ever sell hot-feed-only washing machines or dishwashers?

Also because washes do require a cold cycle first - initially wash at a too high a temperature and you can lock in some stains.

Blood requires a long soak in cold water and an enzyme product so possibly the longest timed program on the machine and a cold 20/30 degree wash.

I tried that but stuff wasn't getting clean. its now 60°C and fuckit.

Dishwasher has modes too. No idea what they do., Found one that worked OK. Stopped playing with modes. Fuckittoo.

There is 10,000 years of uranium in the sea and similar amounts of thorium

If they cant do my washing then they I had better crash the grid until they can.

I didn't vote for GreenCrap, I am under no moral obligation to make it work when I know it can't. Sooner they know it too, the better

Dishwashers are actually not that great as white goods go.

I tend to throw everything to soak in the sink, and when the sink is full, get stuff out and if its reasonably clean, dishwash it, and if it isn't hand scrub it

yep.

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