Yes, the kitchen is finished, everything is decorated. Gleaming. Nice
So, it's obviously time to retro-fit the wall lights we should have thought of in the first place... Channelling - lovely!
Question. Both light locations are more or less above plug sockets. Feeds for these sockets come from above. Can the wall lights be wired into the same circuit (with integral pull switches) as the plug sockets?
On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:07:37 +0000, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It seemed to me that David was hoping to mount each light fitting
directly over each socket drop and avoid the need to chase lighting cable
channels in the plaster to the wall light fittings. That being the case,
adding the necessary FSU would rather spoil the effect (unless each
luminaire is large enough to hide them).
Personally, since wall chases seem unlikely to be avoidable, I'd bite
the bullet and run lighting drops from the ceiling rose to each wall
luminaire rather than add an FSU or two and *still* be obliged to chase
out channels. That way, you save on the cost of FSU(s) and avoid the need
to remember having to pull a ring main fuse at the CU to work on those
wall luminaires instead of pulling a lighting circuit fuse.
It's enough of an annoyance having a 13A socket fed by a 3A fused FSU
connected to a lighting circuit in the attic to provide power for a 4 way
TV aerial distribution amplifier. The last few times when I've had to
pull the 6A fuse from the Wylex CU in the basement in order to work on
the basement, 1st and 2nd floor lighting circuit, I've forgotten about
the loss of signal to the various STBs and TV sets resulting in loss of
scheduled recordings or cries of annoyance from the XYL or our youngest
I think it was *only* the most recent time when I had to work on this
lighting circuit that I'd managed to remember to dig out the 25m mains
extension lead *beforehand* and feed said distribution amp from the top
landing mains socket.
At the time I was looking to provide mains power in the attic, I didn't
realise quite how often I'd find myself obliged to pull that lighting
fuse and now regret "Taking the easy way out" when, with just a little
bit more effort, I could have done the job properly and wired the socket
as a spur off the top floor ring main.
It's always best to avoid such 'non-standard' power feeding arrangements
where reasonably possible (lights fed from ring mains and 13A sockets fed
off lighting circuits). It's always best to avoid the need to label the
kitchen ring main fuse as "Kitchen ring/wall lights" or the "Basmt, 1st &
2nd flr" fuse as "Basmt/1st/2nd flr & attic skt" if you can since the
squeezed down writing can become an illegible mess unless you attach a
ruddy great big label to the CU to provide a more comprehensive manifest
of what each circuit is serving.
The aim here with domestic CU wiring and labelling is to stick to the
KISS principle which in this case, stands for "Keep It Standard, Stupid!"
rather than the more common, "Keep It Simple, Stupid!". :-)
I'd tend to use some kind of fused system or it could just short out
somewhere and overstress the wiring before the thing blew or kill somebody.
There used to be some wonderful round wall lights in days of yore with a
fuseholder inside, made for this very purpose. I bet nobody does them
This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
Shouldn't be messy and needn’t be mains.
A multimaster/angle grinder could cut a narrow enough slot for some thin
low voltage 'bell wire' cable which should be sufficient for LED lamps
Could have interesting LED options including remote control, changing
colour, chase sequences, sound to light, disco!
Needs to be easily disconnectable.
Thread the wires and all to something tastily industrial, say a huge
naked knife blade switch authentic from the era of Frankenstein, and
*tell* the cat to stay away from it.
Hmmm.... Weirdly tempting to do something like that.
Cheap stylish cooker switch for a fiver, anyone?
Pleas don't give me ideas. ;-)
For the OP, I'd remove the pull switches. And fit a switched FCU below the
fitting. Get some decent ones - polished or matt chrome seems to be in
these days. Or make one up using grid switch parts - a dimmer and a fuse
*I did a theatrical performance about puns. It was a play on words.*
Dave Plowman email@example.com London SW
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