Vinegar in plastic bottles ?

Dec 14, 2019 Last reply: 6 years ago 24 Replies

Just bought an own brand malt vinegar from Sainsburys and it comes in a plastic bottle.



(Which I used to refill the previous Sainsburys own brand vinegar we bought which came in a glass bottle)



Is it just me, or does it seem a little off to have an acid - intended for human consumption - being sold in a plastic bottle like that ?



Or is my time in the home distilling fraternity - where storing alcohol in plastic is *seriously* frowned upon affecting my judgement ?



The underlying "logic" is that we have no idea what prolonged exposure to products stored in plastic might do to humans. Whereas we have millennia of experience of using glass/glazed pottery for storage.


In addition glass is easily recycled, not so plastic.

People shift a lot of coca cola and similar bottled in polycarbonate, and have done for quite a long time.

It could be that alcohol is more likely to dissolve things out of the plastic than acetic acid is.

I think that's a good point, and I'd prefer the use of glass rather than plastic for storing liquids for human consumption. But we've already got milk, orange juice etc in plastic bottles so I suspect that ship has already sailed.

Some plastics are better than glass at containing some acids. So it might be that plastic is better than glass, as long as it's the right sort of plastic.

Vinegar doesn't need protection from oxidation and should be fairly happy in a plastic bottle.

Actually there are now plastics of two sorts that can provide complete barrier protection from oxidation. Someone is using them to make flat wine bottles that will fit through a letterbox. Only any good for short life consumer wines rather than premier cru but much cheaper (and a lot lighter weight) than conventional glass bottles.

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The snag with them is that one method is blown internally with dilute fluorine in nitrogen which creates an inert fluorinated surface barrier layer and the other is a laminated composite with an oxygen barrier layer sandwiched between two outer layers of PET. Both make the recycling more difficult or in the second case almost impossible.

You have to remember that almost every "tin" food can you buy is internally plastic lined and has been since the 1950's.

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Plenty of early pottery glazes were high lead content...

They didn't call lead acetate "sugar of lead" for nothing. It is sweet (rare in antiquity) and probably helped the decline of the Roman empire.

Well yes, but that's another bugbear entirely.

That?s bullshit. Coopers brewing kits come with PET bottles.

though the bottle definitely takes on some "taste" from the contents

trying to use an empty cola bottle as a water bottle results in the water tasting "funny"

tim

I wonder how that works with licencing requirements for an over-18 signature on receipt?

Owain

That's one I knew about! :-) If I remember right it can be stored in polythene bottles but dissolves glass and most metals.

I think I remember my Dad having a wax bottle of that in his lab.

Well, do you get wine in plastic bottles. Anyway, I digress, I'm not sure if Vinegar is going to be much of an issue. After all one hopes that the chemists have done their homework here, or by now one might have seen some problems. I can remember vinegar on tables in cafe's being in plastic over 14 years ago! Brian

Wine boxes - now coming back - have a plastic container.

This is somewhat more corrosive:

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Plastic Barrels of it in France. I've never tried it but it is quite common.

I'm not sure they ever went away. Again, common in France. Not a fan myself, nothing to do with snobbery etc, just too much at a time. A bottle and a vacuum saver is more practical most of the time.

I do buy cheap wine for cooking in plastic bottles - ideal for bulk cooking of things like Coc-au-vin. The cooked dish freezes well. Ditto things like beef in red wine etc. or sauce for Oeufs en meurette.

They sell wine in tetrapacks in Argentina (and probably many other places too) Typically less than the equivalent of 50 US cents per litre. You could use it for cooking if you had sufficient disrespect for your food. Rather than drinking it and pissing it down the toilet afterwards, I'd recommend pouring it directly into the toilet bowl to avoid the damage to your internal organs.

Nick

The best Malbec comes from Argentina, they have the best regions to grow it. It is an acquired taste ;-)

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