Under patio heating

[IMM]

Mary, exactly. Little Middle Englanders just don't know.

[Mary Fisher]

Andy! Couldn't you control yourself :-)))

That doesn't make them filthy and smelly.

Move to Leeds. Our buses are very good and frequent. Some are pure luxury. We don't have an underground (although I believe that not all are like the admittedly horrid London underground) and I've certainly never seen a train such as you describe.

Well, if it were in a Sunday supplement it must be true.

er - how often do you travel on the Moscow Metro?

Mary

[IMM]

Liverpool, Glasgow and Edinburgh have cleaner Undergrounds than London.

[Pete C]

All built with the efforts of kindly volunteers ;)

I find Le Metro in Paris with it acres of white porcelain tiles reminds me somewhat of a public convenience.

I went on the District Line the other day and the platform was invaded by a..... squirrel!

It stopped in front of me and looked me in the eye for a few seconds before going on it's way down the platform, as I had no spare hazelnuts on me.

The japanese kids on the other platform appreciated it too.

cheers, Pete.

[Huge]

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What do you think banks do with deposits? Leave it in great heaps in vaults where their employees can throw it up in handfuls whilst shouting "I'm rich, rich, I tell you"?

Is there *any* subject upon which you are prepared to pontificate about which you actually *know* anything?

[Huge]

Nonsense. Maggie's been out of pwer now longer than she was in it. Those who blame her for the worlds ills are idiots, or bigots or both.

[Huge]

As it happens, I *do* know.

And he is entirely correct. Public transport is inconvenient, expensive and time consuming to use, is generally filthy and smelly.

[Owain]

"IMM" wrote | Liverpool, Glasgow and Edinburgh have cleaner Undergrounds than London.

Edinburgh has an Underground????

It has quite a lot of tunnels, but I don't think the tunnels from Haymarket to Waverley count as 'Underground'

Owain

[Mary Fisher]

Aw, so you didn't eat it?

They did eat it?

Mary

[G&M]

It will probably be theirs too. Latest report published on Thursday shows the rate of change of weather is accelerating.

[Rod Hewitt]

"IMM" wrote in news:c5hp7q$qgc$ [e-mail]:

Absolutely not. Simply that the OP got a rough ride for what I would regard as a silly and wasteful plan. And the hospitals and the company involved are wasting even more and deserve an even rougher ride for being even more ostrich-like. And that is without considering the other negative aspects of forcing the television services on patients.

[Mary Fisher]

Yes.

Yes.

Yes yes yes yes!

When another grandson was in hospital he had his own personal telly/game player which swung out over his bed, overhead. All the children in the ward had them. The theory was that they could choose to have them on or off. The practice was that their visitors might as well not have gone.

When Spouse was in hospital he had his own telly in his room, the only radio channels were blah ones. He didn't watch telly, I bought a solar powered radio for him to listen to. All the other rooms had telly going whether or not there were visitors.

Mary

[Rod Hewitt]

"Mary Fisher" wrote in news:407d9eaa$0$8569$ [e-mail]:

In case anyone is interested, I was specifically referring to:

Mary, glad you agreed!

[Andy Hall]

Great in tempura batter. Light and crunchy

.andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

[Pete C]

No, probably some byelaw against consuming the local fauna on LT property.

Nooo, they all took pictures!

cheers, Pete.

[IMM]

Sorry, I mean Tynemouth, which is basically a metro system. On the same side of the country though. I can't tell the accents apart anyway.

[Mary Fisher]

I didn't know about those cases. It's dreadful that patients can't get some peace. In the breast care unit I was in there was a telly but it was only on once in eleven days - for a patient to watch some football match or another. June 1997 if anyone wants to know which match, I certainly don't! I did my tablet weaving ...

Mary

[Mary Fisher]

I've only had squirrel done as a pot roast, it's delicious but I'd have though it would be too stringy for frying.

Mary

[Mary Fisher]

I bet they were taking pictures of him ... :-)

Mary

[Capitol]

The real world operates on the basis of the individual doing what pleases him/her. This is why building and planning regulations(& speed limits) are regularly ignored world wide. If the individual is rich/idealistic enough to heat his/her patio/conservatory, that is their decision and is nothing to do with any other person. Mary kept bees, no real economic/ environmental justification, it suited her. Bees wax candles are a personal choice item, ideal for the idiosyncratic individual. I wouldn't dream of telling people they shouldn't use them as they produce minute quantities of strange toxins when burned. A beekeepers neighbours may well object to having what they regard as a hazard in their locality, but in general they don't go around telling the beekeeper to get rid of the hives.

All this crap about global warming ignores the fact that mankind has a built in self limiting trait, whereby the weakest go to the wall, the population drops and the most resourceful survive. Harsh, but that's reality. Look at Africa with Aids. If you're lucky, you die, before your children do, but that's all there is to it, luck. It is impossible to predict the children's future with any degree of certainty, unless you're a prophet.

There is almost no justification for conservation in either economic or environmental terms, it is todays PC good idea. If you disagree, I suggest you go and research it. The only real benefit of the currently fashionable organic food movement is that it provides employment in the farming industry, but that is another example of the buyers spending their income as they please. The pollution caused by growing and delivering it destroys any environmental benefit the product may well have. The advantage of global warming may be that the UK has a warmer climate, but on past history, it will last for less than a century.

IMM claims that we need another 4M homes, I'd disagree, I think we need 20M fewer people. Before anyone starts to claim that we need immigrants to sustain our economy, I'd refer them to the old adage about necessity being the mother of invention. We need problems for our population to solve, the worse the problem, the better the chance of achieving a solution! Why the state retirement/pension age is still at 65yrs escapes me, most of our population, particularly women, are capable of working to at least 75 in this day and age. Mary is still working.

AIUI the only reason that Thatcher is so unpopular with the PC brigade (and IMM), is that she was prepared to try to take hard decisions and attempt to make people face reality. Any manager knows that if you're lucky 55% of decisions are correct, any more than that and you're close to being God.

Personally, I'd use a thin film 110V centre tapped electric heater under a layer of epoxy if I were trying to heat my patio. 55V wont kill the dogs. Fast warm up, easy repairs if necessary. However, finding a home for the 30KVA transformer might be a problem.

Regards Capitol