Unbelievable EPC recommendations

Jan 26, 2025 Last reply: 1 year ago 63 Replies

But each customer already knows, or can easily find out, what his annual consumption is. It should be there on his bill.

It's part of the infrastructure enabling smooth switching of

That can be achieved by making suppliers publish it on their monthly bills, as Octopus does already. It does not require the numbers to be published to the world and his wife.

Per-dwelling data is available for sale. So these comaparison sites buy access to the data. I suspect the argument runs that making it available makes for a competitive market, and helps drive down prices.

One or two of the sites I looked at required the ticking of a 'I confirm this is my property' box - a nod to some degree of awareness. But pretty much useless at protecting someone's energy use data. I happen to think that's not on - my energy consumption isn't anybody else's business unlss I decide otherwise. Which I propobaly have in my contract's small print. But hey.

Incidentally, I found what looks to be accurate data for all but one of the 40 or so properties I looked at. But I had to use about 6 comparison websites.

The one that I couldn't get anything sensible for was a friend - it was showing total consumption of 600kw/hr electricity for the year - no gas. I thought that was suspiciously low, although she does have no battery solar. Electric hot water and heating. But then I saw her in the street the other day and she was off to the public baths for her weekly shower. So maybe it was accurate . . .

Yes, I expect it does. But does the data protection legislation list that a permitted justification for disclosing personal data without consent? I doubt it.

AIUI the data protection legislation forbids that sort of "small print" trickery.

Well, as I said, I couldn't actually use the Which? one, though I don't understand why.

Of course it's much cheaper in the short term if we all just burn the planet down.

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To stop that happening we’ll have to circularise the Earths’s orbit, correct its axial tilt, even out the cosmic ray flux, and regularise the Sun’s output.

Good luck with that.

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It prolly wouldn't stay circular. Jupiter and Saturn would see to that.

If you mean "reduce to 0 from 23 degrees or so" then there'd be no more seasons. And when the tides have caused the Moon's orbit to increase so much that it ceases to be gravitationally bound to the Earth, and wanders off into space, the tilt of the axis will become chaotic due to influence of the likes of Jupiter.

The Sun does produce 40% more energy than when it was young. Not sure why this is, but although the Earth and its ecosystems are Daisyworld writ large, as the Daisyworld simulations demonstrate, there will come a point when the natural negative feedback of the Earth's climate will not cope with increasing heat from the Sun. At that point all the daisies die, and so will life on Earth.

I doubt if that is the situation now; there have been times in geological history when the atmospheric CO2 concentration was much higher than today - and I'm not talking about pre-life. 500 million years ago it was 4000ppm (eight or ten times today).

You don't want it too low anyway; too low and photosynthesis stops.

And you have to enter the existing suppliers and annual usage so exactly what is the point of it ?.

It doesn't seem to allow you to choose any random address and see what its energy usage ia.

And someone who realizes that every pound spent will add two pounds to the value of the property, and unlike solar, batteries, pumps, etc, this is a one-off investment that will not have to be re-done every 10 years or so (unless you live in a flood-prone area, in which case DON'T)

But easier if women stopped having so many bloody kids.

No oil = NO NHS (go and work out how much single use plastic the NHS uses every year. It's mind boggling).

But after which there'd exist a trip-hazard going in or out of each of those rooms. Who'd buy a house like that?

You have to do the whole floor, with battens to raise the carpet bars under the doors. A bit of a problem for the outside doors if upvc.

And while it's easier than rebuilding the house, I wouldn't call it trivial. All kinds of unexpected niggles will arise.

I don't believe that insulation affects property values much - at least not at the upper end...

Having a lockable garage to park the Range Rover in saves a lot on insurance, and a pony paddock at the back saves on pony nuts...

For me it knows the existing supplier and annual usage, it picks standard variable tariff (my actual tariff is called "Deemed" and is identical to EDF's standard tariff, I got bumped onto it when UtilityPoint went bust, I don't think anyone can chose that tariff).

I checked a few houses down the street, or for my friends and it seemed to know?

I don't think those categories of home owners give a flying duck about their energy bills OR the planet :-(

About the ULV owners, I would agree. For the rest, you have no evidence.

Nether does Kevin in his semi in Chelmsford.

In fact the only people who do care are the intellectual snobs who think they know where it's at because they heard it on the BBC or read it in the guardian

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