Hope someone can advise?
If I ask for a plumber to put a new dishwasher (never had one before)
alongside the wshing machine will this be a straightforward job?
Also, I live on my own but want the luxury of not washing for a few
days so only need a small one I think, Looking at the websites,
flexiblle trays seem important, indicators on the front, energy
efficiency and anti-flood devices. I have an open mind and ask for
what might be important (or not) for me to consider.
Also, anyone recommend a decent model. I am after value for money,
will pay what is needed for a machine that best suits my needs.
Finally, is there a particular firm or search engine that is best for
white goods such as this?
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Anti-flood devices are useful if it's not on the ground floor
or you have a floor which would be damaged by a flood. They
aren't however foolproof.
I wouldn't allow stuff to build up for more than a couple of
days -- dirt gets harder to remove. For small ones, there are
both narrow types, and types designed to fit inside standard
sized cupoards (fitted in to varying extents).
None of the ones around my family get the tray arrangements
changed very often.
Not up-to-date with current models. Across the family, we've
got a Creda (16 years old), two Whirlpools (6 and 8 years old),
Homark (5 years old), and another Homark recently died at about
10 years old and got replaced with an Arthur Martin (a common
French brand, believe it or not). All have been quite reliable.
I just replaced a split hose on the newer Whirlpool, and I
replaced the main pump motor on the Creda at about 3 years old
due to water leaking into the bearing. The Homark, Creda and
Arther Martin ones are models designed to go into a cupboard.
Had a Zanussi prior to the first Whirlpool, and that went wrong
It really depends how old the water pipes and the drainage pipes
connected to your dishwasher are, whether there is enough space to do
a neat job, etc. In general, I wouldn't see too many problems though.
Only a cold water pipe is generally required for a dishwasher and new
models tend to use much less water than older one, so connecting the
dishwasher to the existing washing machine piping system should create
big water input/output problems.
IMO, you may be better off with a standard model. Unless you have
space problems, standard model are generally cheaper (scale economy)
and you can choose among a wide range of different brands, models, and
Looking at the websites,
Flexible trays that can move upwards to accommodate "big" pottery or
pizza dishes are definitely handy. Indicators are generally on the
front as far as I know. Energy efficiency... well I have heard pros
and cons about too much energy efficient dishwashers and washing
machines... They tend to use less water (other than less energy) and
this can be a disadvantage.
Roughly speaking there are three price bands:
(1) cheap & poor (e.g. Indesit, Hotpoint) - not worth the candle
(2) Medium band, medium quality (e.g., Candy, Hoover) - generally the
best in terms of value for money
(3) Top band, burglary price (e.g., Bosch - the bottom of the top
band, Miele, several german brands)
They tend to cost too much for what they offer - Bosch is definitely
the worst of them all despite what people may say, personal experience
Suggestion: go and see all the models on display in places like Comet
(seems rather cost-effective as a high street shop), Currys etc, then
go to the internet and look for the same model. You will find out that
1) For each apparently unique model there are actually 2-3 slightly
different models with minor differences in functionalities but often
not-so-minor differences in price (up to =A3 100)
2) Don't be fussed by brands. Indesit =3D Ignis =3D Hotpoint; Candy =3D
Hoover (UK); some of the big brands (e.g. Bosch, Whirlpool) have them
made wherever it is cheaper (China, Russia)
3) The latest model is always more expensive but there is no need to
go for it as dishwasher technology is so standardised nowadays that
many price differences do not reflect real functionality/quality
4) The simplest it is the less the possibility that the cheap and
faulty electronics they now use breaks down 1 day after the guarantee
5) Don't buy extended guarantee. You would be better off (in global
terms) buying a new dishwasher even if the older one breaks down at
the end of the statutory guarantee.
I'm sure that someone will heavily criticise the above suggestions but
that's my experience.
Woland wrote in
Agreed. Over the years we've had several dishwashers - more
accurately, one in each of the houses we've had over the last 20+
years. The most unreliable was a Bosch which came with a newly fitted
kitchen in one house. Although it's fair to say that it lasted 5
years, in that time it had multiple door catches and microswitches,
door seals, and an expensive pump. It would have gone in the skip
except that the amateurish way the (very expensive) kitchen had been
fitted made it impossible to remove without almost entirely
destroying the place. Others may have good stories to tell about
Bosch dishwashers, but not me :(
Currently we have an AEG (aka Electrolux) dishwasher. About 18 months
old (although it was bought 6 months before its first use). Seems
fine. This and a matching AEG fridge are so-called 'integrated'
models with laid-on false doors which match the rest of the kitchen.
[Aside: We've got a mix of white goods - apart from the two AEG
products, we also have a Bosch washing machine, Hoover tumble drier,
Whirlpool freezer. These appliances are in a utility room. Purchasing
was fairly random apart from the freezer - the largest (ie tallest
and widest at 660mm) to give the biggest capacity which I could find
in an upright model at the time. Of course being an upright it was
still never going to be big enough, but then I knew that...]
Hope this helps
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:46:29 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
Probably. However, as we have not seen the intended location we
cannot say anything more with confidence.
Very sensible. You would need a lot of crockery to fill a big one
and might only run it once or twice a week.
A slimline or small one would undoubtedly suit you better, though
there is less choice, especially in the latter. You would be less
tempted to run them part full and avoid buying extra crockery.
Smaller dish washers are also no cheaper than big ones, though first
cost is not the only cost of a gadget.
I would recommend a Bosch slimline dishwasher, half the price of the Miele
(~£270/£500)and I had one that was second hand when I got it, was excellent
and has now been passed on to someone else. I would have one again.
You can go much cheaper though. I bought a Beko washing machine for £199 and
it's excellent (well, good at any price, excellent at that). You can pick up
a Beko slimline dishwasher for £180 from Argos. No reson to suppose it
doesn't do a good job of washing dishes.
We have a slightly similar situation in the sense of needing
flexibility. There can be anything from one to four people in the
house on a given several days and so looked carefully when it came to
selecting the last one a couple of years ago.
Even though you live on your own, do you never have guests? If you
will only ever have one person, then a table top model might be a
possibility, except that it will be tedious if you cook anything
involving too many utensils. For example, some people cook and
refigerate or freeze food. Moreover, you will lose a lot of worktop
space, whereas an under the counter one, if you have the space, (looks
like you do) will be a more sensible proposition.
Given that, we looked for reliability and quality. The other kitchen
white goods are made by Miele and have over 25 machine years with only
a couple of trivial faults fixed under 10 year warranty. Miele
dishwashers carry a 5 year warranty. I haven't found a reason to buy
anything other than Miele appliances. Their service is second to none
and the lifetime cost pretty good as well. Miele handle service
directly with the end customer.
From the feature perspective, we selected one with a range of wash
programmes, an adjustable centre basket and most importantly the
ability to wash in part of the machine only. This reduces the amount
of electricity used which is already fairly low anyway. So on days
of just one person, the top part of the machine is used and on others,
the whole machine.
I would suggest identifying which machine you want and then just using
Google to search on price. You will get several shopping comparison
web sites and can pick the best price from there. Obviously if a
machine already has the manufacturer's warranty, you don't need to buy
an additional one from the retailer. Currys try this one in order to
That's poor.. I have just disposed of my 17 year old Hotpoint dishwasher and
it never had a repair.
It has had to go as the gear box is sticking and it doesn't always stop
I even thought about fixing it but the parts are ~£140.
I just hope the cheap Electrolux one with the see through door lasts as
I wonder why Empire Direct were selling it for £130 less than anywhere else?
The more modern machines only have one or two programs.
You put them on auto and forget about the programs.
They measure the amount of dirt in the wash to determine how long to wash
for and how many rinses are needed.
Its all done with lasers AFAIK.
I just don't wash until its full.. much more economic than washing everyday
or using a half load.
Half loads are only important if you eat smelly food otherwise its just a
con to make you think its eco friendly.
As it happens there is little difference.. they all use about one unit of
electricity and about 11-14l of water for a full load these days.
Much less than doing the equivalent by hand.
I believe so. My current Miele one has settings for temperature and
whole/half load. It has sensors for the clarity of the water etc.
I don't care that much about eco-friendly, but it does reduce the
consumption and shortens the wash time. I eat quite a bit of oily
fish and vegetable items plus things with high Scoville factor, so
early washing is good.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:01:31 +0000 someone who may be Andy Hall
Their dishes can be washed up in a small dishwasher. It may take two
loads to do so, but each wash involves little water and thus
heating. A little bit of a fiddle, but unless one has large numbers
of guests every other day not a great hassle.
That doesn't necessarily mean lots of utensils or dishes.
A small dishwasher does not need to be mounted on a worktop. They
can be tucked into cupboards.