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harry wrote:

Use it to make hydrocarbon fuels for later use.
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On 14/06/2013 20:58, John Williamson wrote:

The French, with their 75% nuclear, do in fact load follow. They also manage the capacity by selling their surplus to us, and just about every other neighbour. And I don't suppose they sell it at a loss.
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They certainly do sell it at a loss. The French power companies are near bankrupt and will tax money to dismantle redundant nuclear plant. They need to both export and import electricity to make the system work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_france#Considerations
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Ah yes Harold, very useful that site.
"Nuclear power is the primary source of electric power in France. In 2004, 425.8 TWh out of the country's total production of 540.6 TWh of electricity was from nuclear power (78.8%), the highest percentage in the world.[1]
France's nuclear power industry has been called "a success story" that has put the nation "ahead of the world" in terms of providing cheap, CO2-free energy.[2] In terms of industrialized nations, mainland France has the lowest carbon dioxide production per unit of GDP in the world.
As of 2012, France's electricity price to household customers is the 7th cheapest amongst the 27 member European Union, and also the 7th cheapest to industrial consumers"
And the section you referenced does not state what you claim. That makes you a liar Harold.
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Cheapest because it's subsidised and no account has been made of the decommissioning costs in the prices charged for electricity.
Notice they're not making that mistake in the negotiations over the possible Hinkley Point reactor.
http://www.mng.org.uk/gh/private/nuclear_subsidies1.pdf
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Lie.
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Exactly the same as has been done in this country. You're pretty thick. You don't have to look far to find this stuff. Head up your arse.
http://no2nuclearpower.org.uk/reports/Nuclear_Subsidies.pdf Seventy odd billion euros adrift in France just for EdF UK and France.
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On Friday, June 14, 2013 8:40:21 PM UTC+1, harry wrote:

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On 14/06/2013 06:47, harry wrote:

As you are a supporter of intermittent renewable technologies that might not be something you want to be looked at too closely...
Andy
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On 16/06/13 18:43, Vir Campestris wrote:

And it is of course a total lie anyway.
reactors can be ramped between 25% and 100% of power at a rate roughly 25% an hour, and the smaller duration fluctuiations are catered for by adjusting the boiler steam valves. You can simply get a short term power increase by opening up the steam, at the expense of falling boiler pressure. The boiler itself is a small energy store.
It isnt cost effective to do that though. reduced load poisons the fuel rods eventuially and gives you less return on investment. Nuclear fuel is so cheap that you might as well sell into the market at 3-4p a unit when you can, since switching off will save you almost nothing.
Harry has spun a 'dont' into a 'cant' to make a false point by lying, as usual.
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Better than wind/solar/tidal, then, where the output can't be altered at all.
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On 16/06/2013 19:12, Tim Streater wrote:

Not entirely true. Any of these technolgies can be shut down completely at a moment's notice (feather blades / turn off inverter / shut sluice gates).
It's turning them UP that's hard :)
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Shhh. They don't like facts here. Only heresay is allowed.
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On 17/06/2013 08:06, harry wrote: <>

Was that heresy or hearsay?
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On 17/06/13 08:11, polygonum wrote:

IN the small world of harry's mind, there is no discrimination between them.
They are just Bad Words you bandy about to 'poo-poo' other people who know more than you.
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On 17/06/2013 11:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

That gave me a good laugh!
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Thanks for making my point by agreeing that they can't be turned up when you need them. Not *dispatchable*, you see.
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On 16/06/13 23:23, Vir Campestris wrote:

Hence the better use of the term 'availability'
Intermittent renewables have highly variable and more (or less) unpredictable 'availability' which affects not just a single example but the whole national capacity of that technology simultaneously.
Thts is it is extremely unlikely that all coal/nuclear/gas powered power stations would be unavailable on any given day. Its about a once in 5000 years chance.
The chance that (essentially) all wind power will be unavailable on any given day is guaranteed at least 10 times a year. The chances that all solar power will be unavailable is *guaranteed* every night.
Which is why the cost of so doing is proportionately much higher.
This is neatly expressed in the basic engineering principle that benefit from a technology derives from its average output, but most of the cost derives from catering for extreme conditions.
Intermittent renewables have a very low mean to peak capability, and so incur far more expense per average unit generated. In terms of peaks, they need fat cables running long distances to handle the high levels, which mostly are underutilised. In terms of troughs they need 100% backup by some other technology, which is also otherwise highly underutilised.
This is a gross and inefficient use of scarce resources.
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Cheer up NP the winds up from sod all last nite to all of err,, sod all today sufficient to light every dolls house in the land !.. well perhaps in England maybe;!..
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On 17/06/13 11:41, tony sayer wrote:

actually is about average for the time of year. 1GW.
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