Telegraph pole stay

The Land Registry entry replaces the deeds but all the relevant information from the deeds should be incorporated in them. The Land Registry only indicates what they call general boundaries. These are not precise but serve for most purposes. If the exact boundary needs to be determined then the services of a specialist surveyor are needed. This site is a good place to start if you need to.

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There are no hard and fast rules and what may seem obvious from the plan may not be correct. As an example when I purchased my current house my solicitor queried the ownership of the small pull in that is in front of the gates. The local highway authority claimed ownership although the Land registry plan suggested otherwise. This was in a poor state of repair and although the road had recently been resurfaced the pull in was seriously potholed. In fact it was one big pothole! So I asked the them to repair it. The reply was it was not their responsibility. The letters claiming ownership and denying it were signed by the same person! After further correspondence the repairs were carried out. Persistence counts.

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Peter Crosland
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They often are, but I've also seen some rotten ones that *looked* perfect. I was a cable jointer on BT for about 20 years and the oldest pole I've been up was 76 years old and perfect - but I've seen condemned poles that have been about 30 years old or less. Poles are tested on a 10-year cycle (or were in my day, may have changed now) by official pole testers, but as engineers, we're also supposed to make certain checks before climbing - and I don't want anyone putting my life at risk by tampering with the stays (or I wouldn't if I was still doing the job).

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Steve

I wonder if, at some stage, the preservatives were changed for something less... vehement (but effective)?

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Adrian

Given elfin safety these days, I'd say almost certainly.

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Steve

Timber in damp ground lasts well anyway. Vacuum treated, ie poles are placed in a chamber and the pressure reduced drawing the air out of the wood, the preservative is then introduced and occupies the "holes". Much better penetration than plain dipping or trying to shove stuff in under pressure.

Poles and timber in general rots at or just above ground level. The "goldilocks zone" for the rot fungi and bacteria.

Creosote, the real stuff? But what ever they use on poles seems to have a higher proportion of tar than the stuff mere mortals could get.

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Dave Liquorice

Could be. It's still available for non-diy use.

SteveW

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SteveW

Definitely still telegraph poles around here.

SteveW

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SteveW

drawing the air out of the wood, the preservative is then introduced and o ccupies the "holes". Much better penetration than plain dipping or trying t o shove stuff in under pressure./>

otherwise known as 'tanalising' for eg...

Jim K

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Jim K

On Friday 24 January 2014 13:54 Tim Lamb wrote in uk.d-i-y:

I assume by "hedge trimmer" you mean one of those big bastards on a tractor that can chop small trees in half?

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Tim Watts

New Zealand hedge trimmer:

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probably cuts telegraph poles in half!

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MattyF

In message , Tim Watts writes

Yes. 1.2m cut and mine is an old one.

Cutting Hawthorn/Blackthorn, you can annoy a lot of cyclists very quickly:-)

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Tim Lamb

I have seen what I take to be Boron *nails* hammered in to electricity poles at ground level.

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Tim Lamb

Ish, the chemical treatment used in tanalised timber is not creosote or similar. In the olde dayes it would have been CCA (Copper Chromium Arsenate) but that worked so had to be banned. Tanalisation is still copper based though.

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Dave Liquorice

Yes. A deed is a legal document. The Land Registry map is purely to indicate where the plot is, it is explicitly *not* a boundary map. As you said, it shows the *location* of the property, *not* the *boundaries* of the property.

jgh

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jgh

Seems it's irrelevant anyway:-

" Frank Erskine

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he >method used? Presuming that they are soaked -how long for? > The common est method is (was?) called the "Rüping" process.

"Air is forced into the wood at a pressure of about 75 lb to the square inc h. Creosote is next injected under greater pressure, and then an air pressu re of about 225 lb is applied, thus driving the oil in to a considerable de pth. When the pressure is released the compressed air in the interior of th e wood drives out some of the creosote - an effect which is sometimes augme nted by applying vacuum. Only about 6 lb of creosote per cubic foot is left in the timber." Courtesy of "Telephony" Volume 1 by Herbert and Procter. -

-Frank Erskine"

(presume reference is simple enough for you this time..)

Jim K

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Jim K

On Friday 24 January 2014 22:17 MattyF wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Fuuucck....

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Tim Watts

The LR map is just the same as the old deeds map. No more, no less. Deeds cease to carry any legal weight whatsoever once a property's registered with the LR.

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Adrian

I've been reading up on this a little and as you'd expect most of the writing concerns boundaries with neighbours as opposed to the highway.

AFAICS the only authority on where the road ends and your property begins is the local council, which obviously has a certain bias, and would naturally prefer to have authority over the verge but no responsibility for its maintenance.

Looking at Ordnance Survey site maps it seems to me that the edge of the highway is shown with a solid line, and any verge or pavement that is part of the highway is separated from the rest of the highway by a dashed line. And that that distinction is taken as fairly authoritative when queries arise.

For most (but not all) of the lane I live on, there are no dashed lines on the map, though in reality there is an obvious verge between the walls/fences/hedges and the road. I'm tending to the view that the verges are in private hands, but that's 99% speculation.

I don't know whether councils have more detailed maps available for public inspection, as if so, whether asking to see them could open an unwanted can of worms. Also is anything the council says going to cut any ice with BT when they decide whether that stay is on our land or not? And is whether it's on our land or not going to affect BT's willingness to move it?

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Mike Barnes

They aren't still called telegraph poles, but a lot of people do call them that.

I remember doing my BT Subs App & Line Maintenance course (201, or maybe it was the 202) course in the late seventies and they were officially called telephone poles even then.

We had to learn how to erect open copper drop wires! I never had to do it in the field, but it was interesting to learn how to do it.

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Andy

No.

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djc

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