Supercapacitor Jump Starters

Dec 30, 2023 Last reply: 2 years ago 5 Replies

These things claim to be able to charge up from a near dead 12V car battery in just a few moments and then provide enough power to spin a car over and start it. And moreover to be able to do this up to 25 times before the stored charged runs out. So say you have a knackered car battery with a terminal voltage of only 9 or 10 volts, this thing can draw enough energy out of it to provide 14V at sufficient current to spin over an engine of over 400CI (that's a typically touted figure for a normally aspirated petrol/gas engine and about 2/3 that for a diesel). It's the energy involved that I'm struggling to get my head around here. How is this seemingly miraculous tranformation achieved? I've been wanting to get a jump starter for emergencies for some time, but was put off by the thought of having a bunch of lithium cells go up in flames on me. This would seem to eliminate that risk.


The Project Farm youtube channel has several jump pack comparos. Good Medicine. (Plus Todd is a fun guy. )

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

A lead acid battery at 9-10V is without any meaningful charge and won't be able to supply any energy to a supercap.

A lead acid battery will have some residual charge after the point it cannot supply the power to turn over a starter. However the terminal voltage after a short recovery will be more than 12V.

Supercaps have an incredibly low internal resistance. I don't know enough about their internals but I am aware a bank of them, or two, can supply megajoules to a magnetic coil-gun:

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It's simple, the battery open circuit voltage is much higher so say 14V The sup[p]er capacitor will charge to that in a while.. When the battery is directly on the start motor the high internal resistance of an almost empty battery will cause the voltage to drop to a useless low value, nothing happens.

The internal resistance of a sup[p]er capacitor is extremely low, So connecting it will put the full 14V or so on the starter motor. So it is long charge time at a low current versus starting at a high current in a much shorter time. The amount of charge in - and out (energy) is the same, All that said I once had a Peugeot station where I could stick the crack in and start it with real muscle power.

I have one containing about a 15Ah lead-acid, so still easily liftable with one hand without being an explosion risk. Lithium is smaller and lighter with less self-discharge but as you say, a bit risky.

I have had one for a few years now. I got it early in the pandemic when my Golf R would lose charge whilst not being used. It could only tolerate ~3 weeks of non use. It has served me quite well.

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