These things claim to be able to charge up from a near dead 12V car battery in just a few moments and then provide enough power to spin a car over and start it. And moreover to be able to do this up to 25 times before the stored charged runs out. So say you have a knackered car battery with a terminal voltage of only 9 or 10 volts, this thing can draw enough energy out of it to provide 14V at sufficient current to spin over an engine of over 400CI (that's a typically touted figure for a normally aspirated petrol/gas engine and about 2/3 that for a diesel). It's the energy involved that I'm struggling to get my head around here. How is this seemingly miraculous tranformation achieved? I've been wanting to get a jump starter for emergencies for some time, but was put off by the thought of having a bunch of lithium cells go up in flames on me. This would seem to eliminate that risk.
Supercapacitor Jump Starters
Dec 30, 2023
Last reply: 2 years ago
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The Project Farm youtube channel has several jump pack comparos. Good Medicine. (Plus Todd is a fun guy. )
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Phil Hobbs
A lead acid battery at 9-10V is without any meaningful charge and won't be able to supply any energy to a supercap.
A lead acid battery will have some residual charge after the point it cannot supply the power to turn over a starter. However the terminal voltage after a short recovery will be more than 12V.
Supercaps have an incredibly low internal resistance. I don't know enough about their internals but I am aware a bank of them, or two, can supply megajoules to a magnetic coil-gun:
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It's simple, the battery open circuit voltage is much higher so say 14V The sup[p]er capacitor will charge to that in a while.. When the battery is directly on the start motor the high internal resistance of an almost empty battery will cause the voltage to drop to a useless low value, nothing happens.
The internal resistance of a sup[p]er capacitor is extremely low, So connecting it will put the full 14V or so on the starter motor. So it is long charge time at a low current versus starting at a high current in a much shorter time. The amount of charge in - and out (energy) is the same, All that said I once had a Peugeot station where I could stick the crack in and start it with real muscle power.
I have one containing about a 15Ah lead-acid, so still easily liftable with one hand without being an explosion risk. Lithium is smaller and lighter with less self-discharge but as you say, a bit risky.
I have had one for a few years now. I got it early in the pandemic when my Golf R would lose charge whilst not being used. It could only tolerate ~3 weeks of non use. It has served me quite well.
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