Speedfit technique

[IMM]

Such tripe. Despite this free at point of delivery, people still do not go and remain ill.

[IMM]

The completing companies make it cheaper by virtually abandoning any service. Try phoning them. They also survive by loans from their customers. You have to be on direct debit and despite companies reading the meters for them and supplying the reading, they ignore them and estimate the bill way over, then adjust from one reading at the end of the year. They use the customers for loans instead of banks. Appalling.

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[IMM]

Good thinking. You will go far me boy. Duh!

[IMM]

NO cut from the mains.

[Andy Hall]

Yes, socialised medicine is tripe.

Another aspect is that the megalith has people convinced that it is doing them a favour for which they should be grateful.

Part of this is aided and abetted by the medical profession itself. At most hospitals, including those in the private sector, there is reserved car parking for the consultants by the door. What other business puts its staff car parking by the door and makes its customers walk in the rain? It's symptomatic of the wrong attitude. One can argue that it's good for the customers to walk for the exercise, but this is not the motivation.

I saw an ad for one of the health insurance companies today - "Doctor the patient will see you now" That is how it should be.

[Andy Hall]

Why would I want to do that?

Only the gullible do that.

I have had suppliers try this on.

The simple solution is to take the actual readings and costs for the previous year, divide by 12 and offer them that or less for the monthly direct debit. I then take the shortfall and add it in to the following year and repeat the process.

One squeaked about it until I told them that they could take it or leave it. They took it.

Competition makes that possible. My negotiating position is far better than when I had to deal with state monopolies.

[Frank Erskine]

The "local loop" of course being the result of many decades of public expenditure by the GPO/PO, which is expected to be effectively given away to the private sector who don't want to get their hands dirty with tasks such as planting poles in the ground, laying dirty cables in holes in the road...

[:::Jerry::::]

How about an adaptable / conduit box and cable gland, terminations between in-wall cable and boiler flex would then be accessible ?...

[Tony Bryer]

But as was pointed out (here?) recently, for the most part a private hospital's real customers are the consultants. You need to sell your hospital to them. If you can do this, then they will fill your beds for you. If not they'll be filling someone else's beds.

[Bert Coules]

Jerry,

Would a conduit box be smaller than a standard single-socket surface plate? Anyway, I'll investigate - thanks for the thought.

Bert

[:::Jerry::::]

I gave you the size a few messages ago !

Conduit circular box is 50mm (2 inch).

Adaptable boxes can be had from about 2 inch sq IIRC.

[IMM]

State monopolies didn't use their customers as an interest free lending bank.

[Andy Hall]

The GPO and PO are relics of the past along with other state owned infrastructure.

BT haven't exactly rushed into providing LLU, but have rightly been dragged into it kicking and screaming by Oftel. It's far from being free.

[IMM]

What piffle! Anyone who says that deserves total contempt. I bet you have a photo of that idiot dirty bastard Boris Johnson over your bed.

You have no idea, just ahead full of bitterness. You perceive everyone is ripping you off. Look under the bed there might be a swindler under there. Just look at history and how things are, the NHS is the only way.

[IMM]

Define relic? Clarks shoes are a relic of the past too.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

So this means your continual recommendation to fit combis everywhere is based, as I've always thought, on an argument made of straw?

Either the water supplies in this country are up to it or they're not. You've said they're not, but still recommend combis which can't work as well as a storage system. What a wanker.

[Andy Hall]

Not at all, although I do object to paying tax to support an arrangement that belongs in the 1940s.

No, just state run operations that are not delivering value for money.

Of course it isn't the only way. There are a whole speectrum of private and even public sector alternatives.

[Andy Hall]

There's no need when the state is bankrolling their wastage with taxpayer's money.

[Andy Hall]

In this context, state owned industry past and present.

[Bert Coules]

Jerry,

You did, you did. Apologies. My overworked brain is obviously still befuddled by the old thread/new thread business...

Bert