Anyone out there got specs /advice on how to install electrics in a domestic
home in Spain. I've never done this before. I understand that their system
is based on radial networks etc.
Help much appreciated.
Generally the rule seems to be:
1 Use very thin wire
2 When needing to extend, twist the bare ends of the
wire together and push out of sight behind the bed-head
Spain is my favourite country- the bit in the north, the middle and from
Tarifa to Cadiz. However there are two
things about Spain I don't like. One is the careless or
cruel treatment of animals and the other is dodgy electrics
particularly in hotels and camp sites.
Any horror stories?
Not really, just a "why?".
When my sister had finished her year teaching English in Lugo, Galicia,
I went to collect her (many years ago now). The flat where she'd been
renting a room was basic, but ok. An open flued gas water heater above
the bath and the local power cables an arm's reach below her bedroom
window were the obvious exceptions.
It was the kitchen which intrigued me. Newly refurbished, it had a
lovely tiled floor, new appliances, perfect plastering and tiling on
walls, a polished stone worktop (they're big on their pastry, so
laminate isn't much good) and balcony seating area...
...and in the otherwise flawless ceiling, two lengths of bendy conduit
poking out, two single core wires from each, and manky ES socket and
pearl bulb on the end of the single cores.
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Spaniards still believe that electrickery is A Work of the Devil.
Should it ever be installed neatly, completely, or even vaguely
competently, then your house will be colonised by demons.
I was once installed in commissioning work for a whole new car
factory, built in the middle of an uninhabited desert. If you think
Spanish electrics are bad at the lightbulb level, try them with
3-phase and hundreds of kW.
House wiring for sockets is done on radial circuits, not ring circuits as in
the UK. We've heard of new wiring installations based upon ring circuits
being condemned by the authorities on inspection. It isn't very likely that
they'll inspect your wiring but it could be an expensive error if they do!
Don't fit 3-pin, UK style sockets (or sockets from any other country for
that matter) either. It may seem a good idea for your electrical equipment
from the UK, but if you decide to sell your house they'll all need to be
changed - what Spaniard wants a house with UK sockets?
In Spain they use individual, sheathed cables for Live, Neutral and Earth,
not the standard "twin and earth" that we use in the UK. These cables are
then run through plastic conduit to their various destinations.
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:28:38 +0000, Darren Simpson wrote:
Having seen lots of dodgy wiring in various spanish costas. I was in Salu
once, wandering down a street and happened to look up at a shop awning
which had floodlights on the shop wall underneath the awning. It was all
done neatly in 25mm steel conduit. I was just about to sing the praises of at
least one spanish sparky who knew his business, when a small label on a
conduit box caught my eye...
Installed by a firm in Manchester UK.!!!
And you were born knowing all about ms windows....??
Isn't there to be an EU standard of electrical installations? I read the
aim was that and they were to be introduced. When I don't know. They
attempted to get a Euro socket, but the British said sod off we are not
going to an inferior socket to what we already have.
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The Europeans know how to deal with regulations. Ignore them. No one oin
Itlay sticks to regulations, as they are openly admnitted (as with speed
camereas here) merely to be taxes. In Italy tho they got for bueaucratic
efficiency. You just pay the policemen direct, in cash, no receipt...
Yes, via national bodies (BSI for UK).
That's why our wiring colours are changing (and has been the
driving force behind a number of the wiring regs changes over
I'm not sure of the details, but I think there's some scheme
where you can use the wiring regs from any EU country in any
other EU country if the regs you use conform to the EU standard,
which I believe the UK ones do. A collegue used this to rewire
a french holiday home to UK standards, and the french authorities
seemed to know about this and were perfectly happy to approve it
(very much to my surprise).
Ok folks, so in conclusion, what would be the best way to wiring plan to
install the electrics?
1. the Brit system (not my preferred option)
2. hybrid / wing it (ditto)
3. star / spur system (what guage of cable for lighting / sockets etc.?)
Desperate for ideas
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