So who's paying for this bit of ecobollox ... ?

Indeed. we can agree on that. at least.

Not if there is strong competition. One mans profit is another man's business opportunity.

Why? there is no need to market. beyond say a school letting people know what it is and where it is.

Marketing is only really there to sell stuff people dont want or need to them. My waitrose doesn't advertise. I know where it is. My dentists doesn't advertise. I know where it is.

Or a danger that healthcare for the more well off would get better?

That's the real point for most 'socialists' - Why should hard earned dosh entitle you to better anything.?

My point is, to create an incentive to have hard earned dosh.

There is a point (and for me we are well past it), where the entitlement of the poor to massive ranges of services, for which they do not, have not and never will contribute anything of value, is manifestly UNFAIR to those that do the real work.

I go further, and would hypothesise that totally egalitarian societies are innately self destructive. Human nature being what it is, and not what Marxist idealists would like it to be.

Which is probably a good thing. As long as social mobility is still possible.

Which is actually LESS easy these days, due to the fact that there is no smooth graduation between e.g. public and private education or health care. And no streaming of secondary schools.

I totally agree, and that is the one means test I would retain. Are you physically or mentally unable to work?

If so you belong in hospital, or are a special case.

The minimum wage is simply there so that socialist can claim to have 'done something;' of course it only covers full time work. It is actually counter productive, in that it totally removes, rather than subsidises, a whole lump of low grade work. The jobs get down overseas. Or not a all. Or on the black market with cash-in-hand.

Same goes for ALL the legiuslation for anti-=discrimination, and things like maternity leave. No small business will emply a female whio is likley to get pregnant, and demand maternity pay ad a job kept o[pen. Of course we never admit iot, but te fact remains that the jobs go to teh blokes, or to teh married woman with teenage kids, who does NOT have one romantic work destroying relationship crisis every other week, get married - taking time off for a honey moon, get pregnant, wander round the office like a duck, throw up in the toilets every morning, produce about half the output when she isn't at home with a migraine, have a baby, expect to get paid, and then expect the job will still be there in a years time.

No, sorry, she isnt 'as well qualified' as the married mother of three, with a decades experience of running a family, and the maturity and experience that goes with it..

its not just them: its the whole eurosocialist movement in Brussels.

T Bliar was basically a weak vain man who reconciled the ends of the political spectrum by lying equally to each, promising both things that never materialised, and delivering half baked legislation at the drop of a sound bite any time political lobbies shouted too loud. And borrowing a shed load of money to pay everyone off as he did so. A cat beller of the first order.

Possibly the worst prime minister in my lifetime, except now we have Brownian Motion, the ability to vaccillate wildly about a mean, under the influence of hot air, and not actually achieve anything. No Bliar was worse. Gordon has done almost nothing. Bliar did a lot, all of it bad.

And one of the best ways is to get central goverenment out of the whole thing.

Its got no place to tell us how to run our lives. And dicate waht 'services' we get, whether we want them or not.

The answer is to change the rules of the game, so the people hold the aces.

Those aces are the purchasing power left in your pocket.

Remember edwina's curried eggs? she makes a true statement that Joe public didn't realise was true and always had been true and joe public nearly destroys the egg industry? Another good politician sacked for telling the truth. Unlike Bliar.

take schooling.

lets say that you send your child to a school. Every day the school gets them signed in on the register, it gets a flat rate from the government provided it conforms to OFSTEDF standards Basic standards. Otherwise it is free to teach what it likes, how it likes to who it likes.

If it suspends or expels a child, it loses income. That is its commercial judegment. If the parents don't like its curriculum, or discipline, or the colour of the mats teachers skin, they can take their child to any other school that will have them.

If they want private tuition, the school might offer that at extra cost. Or, indeed, any other subjects or activities that cannot be made available at the basic state rate, BUT I hasten to add, if enough parents pay for better playing fields or chemistry laboratories, that makes them potentially available for all.

Instead of it being state free, or private at £3000 a term, there is now a socially mobile middle ground.

would the most basic education be any WORSE? I don't see how it could be frankly. Truly dreadful schools would go bust and get bought up, truly bad children, who were not amenable to any discipline, would be thrown out, benefiting the rest.

well tough shit baby. there are at least 20 dentists within similar distance of me here. and its my choice which one I use, and if the choice was not betwen ultra cheap very hurried and very poor dentistry, and decent service, but a hundred quid every time I stepped through the door, it would be a far better situation.

;-)

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher
Loading thread data ...

Rest of a very good reply snipped.

Daughter became a single parent due, in the main, to having a medical problem. She has always worked since her days at uni. And is bringing up two daughters.

She gets government money for having a job. Rather than losing any allowance by working.

Dave

Reply to
Dave

I think at this point, we have to look at the definitions of what illness, or disability is.

Around this area are lots of young lads that spend their benefits on cheep cans of lager and brag about how much money they are sucking out of the pockets of the rest of us.

Remember, it is a doctor that underwrites a description of disability, or illness. Get them on our side and I'd like to take a bet that the unemployed total would drop dramatically.

Dave

Reply to
Dave

They're skint. They'd still be skint without children. Except they'd probably be living in bedsits because they couldn't get a council house.

Owain

Reply to
Owain

Reply to
Clot

Any prospect of a discount for quantity ?

Derek

Reply to
Derek Geldard

In message , Clive George writes

No I didn't, although I inferred it

No, why should you draw that conclusion ?

Reply to
geoff

In message , "dennis@home" writes

Well of course it is

If I see a dangerous situation developing, I take evasive action before it has anything to do with me.

FOR EXAMPLE, on a motorway, my mind is constantly "what if"ing, checking for an escape route, knowing what's behind and inside of me, etc

You see, the fact that I'm a positive driver doesn't mean that I'm not a safe driver, its just that you can't see it because you are not mentally equipped to do so

Reply to
geoff

In message , "dennis@home" writes

No, they catch inattentive people who don't know that particular road, locals will slow down and then speed up again

And where is your evidence for that

or is it just your ignorant prejudice coming to the fore again ?

"Dennis, speed up you tortoise, there's a minimum speed limit here"

Reply to
geoff

I didn't draw that conclusion. I'd only draw that conclusion if you were one of the people who said they'd got caught out by new speed limits or other unfamiliar situations. It's those people who need to put in a bit more effort, not the people who are already doing enough.

Reply to
Clive George

So what is then if they're not ? "Best" in what sense ?

Arfa

Reply to
Arfa Daily

There was certainly no warnings of any of the ones that have moved around our village, and no obviously valid *practical* reason for the move anyway. Pretty much 'overnight', they just moved, and new ones, again for no apparent reason, appeared to further restrict the speed on the stretches of road between our village and the adjacent ones, from the 'national' limit that had previously applied ...

Arfa

Reply to
Arfa Daily

Ours did both. Overnight. No warning.

Arfa

Reply to
Arfa Daily

That's why i like average speed cameras. 8-I

Reply to
dennis

In message , "dennis@home" writes

Do they give you an orgasm ?

Reply to
geoff

Was this before or after you'd been shoved up a chimney to clean it?

mark

Reply to
mark

What about the bloke walking in front of your car with the red flag? You might run him over?

Reply to
The Medway Handyman

Elfin Safety tells me I cannot drive when he is in the road.

MAJOR ALLERT! dennis is on the road and caused major gridlock for the UK.

Reply to
Clot

Isn't it funny how all you macho drivers stoop to such stupid claims. I suppose its because you don't have a leg to stand on.

Reply to
dennis

In message , mark wrote

And why do you think energy prices to the customer are so high?

Reply to
Alan

HomeOwnersHub website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.