Listening to the Euro stuff on the news as I sit here
And there's all this stuff about how the EU officials are insisting that we
do this and insisting that we do that
and I can't help but come to the conclusion that much of what they are doing
is simply "shooting the messenger"
That's the reason we voted Brexit! The EU being dictatorial, yet
again, telling us what to do and how to manage our affairs. It's in
their blood; in their DNA; they're so used to doing it that they can't
stop or see the damage they're doing. Typical unaccountable
bureaucrats, believe they're untouchable and that they run the world.
I'm concluding they are doing *exactly* what 'we' would have done if the
positions were reversed.
And you really can't say you weren't warned.
You have to be Turnip to behave like a c**t and expect others to be
gentlemen towards you.
We were desperate to leave the EU. Now want to delay that point to suit
ourselves, regardless of how that may effect the EU. Pie in the sky. You
don't hand in your notice to an employer you hate (and he knows it) and
expect him to be flexible about working that notice.
*Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker?
Dave Plowman email@example.com London SW
I'm sure that a lot of us who voted Leave did so in the hope that the other
countries might come up with a better offer for us to stay in.
If that were to happen that offer would have to come from the council of
ministers, who don't meet until next Monday.
Now, that may be very unlikely to happen but I do think that it should be
given the opportunity
So on that basis, I think that it is completely unacceptable for the
unelected, unaccountable, jumped up, EU administrator to say "go and get out
now!" before he can have possibly be advised as to the feelings of the
complete cohort of ministers.
Speaking as a remainer, I'd think that an understandable but very
risky tactic. However the Brits aren't the only ones capable of risky
tactics. I agree with Dave that Europe would say if you've got to go,
go now. The prospect of the process being about to start now, and not
when the Brits feel like it is probably loosening a few bowels amongst
the Brexit leadership and might make them more willing to grab at a
face-saving better offer when it is put to them by the council of
ministers, maybe as early as next week. Remember the Irish and the
It wasn't a tactic
It was an acceptable outcome that would see us gaining less in return for
getting the deal done quicker.
It would see them losing less, in return for getting the deal done quicker.
They don't want to taken that route, just fine by me.
On a 20 year timetable, I don't think that this is a war that they can win,
we just have to be prepared to lose a lot of battles on the way.
I would argue that it is not possible to make a sensible decision about
leaving the EU until you know the terms and conditions of any future
trade and other agreements. The EU are unlikely to offer what we might
think of as favourable terms as they do not wish to encourage others to
It appears, from what I heard on the radio, that we don't even have
enough experienced staff to run the negotiations properly.
Quite. And :
"During the two-year negotiation period, EU laws would still apply to
the UK. The UK would continue to participate in other EU business as
normal, but it would not participate in internal EU discussions or
decisions on its own withdrawal."
So much for the 'negotiation we were promised?
Doesn't look like we will need any ... ;-(
Cheers, T i m
Even if that were the broad intent and actuality, there are things like
the European Medicines Agency which is based in London. I can't see that
remaining there for two years, and then suddenly moving on the last day
of year two. Still less can I imagine the 27 being happy for it to
remain located in London beyond two years. So, I suspect they are likely
already close to deciding a new location and packing up whatever they
will take with them as soon as possible.
That would not, in my view, constitute continued participation in other
EU business as normal.
The EMA might well be too slow.
However, it does seem to be the body which oversees mutual recognition
procedures which, at least potentially, allow faster introduction of a
medicine to other countries once approved in one country.
One way in which that might directly benefit the UK is actually in terms
of medicine costs. One medicine, which a few years ago cost £12 a month,
has rocketed to about £250 in the UK. The Greek equivalent is less than
two euros - and seems to be very acceptable to many patients. The mutual
recognition process just might open the door to the Greek product
becoming available to the NHS.
Further, the costs of doing additional approvals for the UK only might
be too high and end up with us not getting some medicines, at least in
the shorter term.
Well, I think it's still early days on this relationship breakup. We
are currently in the 'threats and crying' stage and hope to get the
decree Nisi before the end of the year. At that point some may accept
it's serious and others will wait for the absolute two years later
before changing their stationary. ;-)
Nope ... 'talk to my solicitor'. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
You don't know that there will be a 2 year negotiation period.
That is just the time at which certain things happen if there is
no agreement to disagree.
Not if Britain chooses to make an obscene gesture in the
general direction of an intransigent EU and pulls the plug
on the EU, as it is completely free to do any time it chooses.
Article 50 doesn't say it can't do that.
It has already stopped doing that with the
resignation of the British EU Commissioner.
That's because we haven't needed them for so long,
We are the 5th largest economy in the world
We have the second best set of universities in the world (no-one else in
Europe even comes close)
We have one of the top 5 most desirable locations that the "elites" want to
The idea that we cant go out and employ the worlds best to these new roles
I'm casually watching 'Nothing to declare UK' and it's funny to see
all the people having stuff confiscated and destroyed because the
people *weren't* coming in from the EU. ;-)
So what of all the 'booze cruises' and people taking vans over to
France or doesn't that still happen in any case?
This looked quite sober reading (and from Feb):
Cheers, T i m
The only one that many people won't have known about
already is probably
< quote >
Article 50 provides that the EU will negotiate a new agreement with the withdrawing
over two years. That can be extended, but only by unanimous agreement. The article also
specifies that, when agreeing a new deal, the EU acts without the involvement of the
that is leaving.
So that basically rather than going in there and negotiating the best deal for the UK -
accepted by many commentators - the UK will have to stand in the corridor outside the
office and then be called in, once the likes of Rumania and Poland have finally decided
fate should be.
Humiliating ? No of course not.
The rest of the article concerning the disastrous consequences for the UK economy should
be already well known.
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