Shocking day

Having a loft conversion done. For the sake of convenience, I'm getting them to do the electrics, even though I have a BN open on a full rewire. Otherwise, I wouldn't get the completion cert for the loft until I finish the electrics - which could be a while.

Got off to a bad start with their electrician, who will remain nameless to protect the guilty, because I'd rewired one smoke on the 1st floor lights. (and a three core lighting loop all round that circuit so I have an interconnect) He wants the smokes on the second floor lights. OK, fair enough, I get that he doesn't want to touch my circuits, he'd rather have a brand new one so he doesn't have to be responsible for my work - but wait to see what happens next. That said, I still think that the smokes would be better on the first floor circuit than the second, which might not be in use.

Today, the next electrician (different to the first one, so probably been told to watch out for me...) was planning to run the cable back to the CU. He'd done some cable pulling and I popped upstairs while he was getting something from the van to see how he was running the cables.

First, I noticed his drill bit in the stairs trimmer. Odd, I thought, he hasn't pulled up the remaining piece of floor trim to see where he's....

<f--- me what was that-->

Processed for a second, then went downstairs and explained that I think I just got a belt off a pipe. He clearly didn't quite believe me, because he proceeded to go upstairs, and get a belt off the same pipe. That really pissed me off.

"Have you got your gas and water bonding sorted?"

"yes"

"You haven't got any bare wires under here"

"No!" (or what I though "No, FFS"

I then realised he was drilling into the stairs trimmer. And hadn't pulled up the small piece of flooring (with only one nail holding it down, as I've lifted it loads) between that trimmer and the next one. Lifted it up and showed him he wasn't drilling into one trimmer, but two, with a gap. His drill bit and metal body was shorting phase to a pipe doing who knows what when it was installed. Nothing now, because it wasn't actually bonded to anything at all.

I left him to fix it, muttering about awful cable routing. He's not wrong, but I didn't route those cables, and I do know where *most* of the cables in the house go. Plus I found the gap between the trimmers, he just assumed there wasn't one.

He is, of course, mortified. I am just feeling mortal, I'm a bit (a lot) smaller than he is, and I've never had a proper shock before. We're both glad it was me who found it and not one of the kids (though my kids are well trained to step round things and would almost certainly not have made contact with his drill). Also, the fault wouldn't have shown up in testing, it's just a fluke that I touched the pipe while the drill was shorting it. Bit puzzled as to why his drill didn't provide a route to earth through the plug.

It could, of course, have been avoided, if he hadn't assumed it was a thick trimmer, and explored it properly, or indeed asked me anything at all about cable routes in this house. But I'm the DIYer, so.... I still haven't actually checked where the cables ran - all I wanted was to make sure he hadn't put them right next to my network cables.

Feeling glad that I have put an RCD in (though it didn't trip, I'd hate to have a shock which did make it trip!) and that I wasn't earthed to anything, and that I touched it with the back of fingers.

I pointed out to him that it was a good job he electrocuted me and not one of his other customers who might not have been quite so understanding. Naturally it's the first time he's done that to a customer. I suppose most of them don't poke around under the floorboards to see what he's just been doing.... Though as he pointed out, if I hadn't, he'd have pulled the drill out and left a latent fault there, because it wouldn't have shown in testing. It would have shown when I was sticking my hand down the gap pulling a cable through.

I'm debating whether I should cross bond the floating pipe to the copper water pipe next to it. If the floating pipe went live again, and someone was touching the copper pipe, they could get a much worse result. Can't think of any reason not to if it's truly floating (something I will verify).

Reply to
Ben Blaukopf
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My experience of RCDs is that they can trip at the slightest fart of a distant sparrow - OK, a slight exaggeration but they certainly used to trip if the power to the outside shed was turned on during a thunderstorm. It didn't matter that there was nothing plugged in to that circuit (which was a separate MCB at the consumer unit that only served the shed) or that the lights etc weren't even flickering. Thank goodness we were at home each time it happened so we could restore the RCD before the freezers got warm. We got into the habit of always turning that circuit off whenever we didn't need it for the lawn mower or electric drill, after it happened a couple of times.

The only time an RCD has tripped "in anger" was when I made a prat of myself. I'd been replacing all the GU10 ceiling light fittings in our bedroom for ones that were white rather than brass. The GU10 bulbs were all Philips Hue, which is very significant: you can turn those off by an app, while leaving them live at the fitting. To begin with, I had been very good about turning the circuit off at both the wall switch and the consumer unit for that lighting circuit. One time, I forgot to do either. It was a long way to walk to the consumer unit, and the lights weren't on so evidently the switch was off at the wall.

It wasn't, as I found when I unscrewed the live terminal at the old fitting and pulled the wire out. I'm not sure whether my other finger was touching neutral or the earthed fitting. I got a nasty but not *really* bad shock between two fingers: I've had worse before the days of RCDs. The RCD tripped and this probably helped to make sure that the shock only lasted the 30 milliseconds or so it takes to trip, rather than relying on how quickly I could pull my fingers away.

Once I'd got over the tingling of the shock, it dawned on me what a pillock I'd been, caught out by a schoolboy error. I was doubly lucky because several years previously I'd had a heart attack and cardiac arrest, and had been warned that this would probably leave me more susceptible to electric shocks of the mains variety, especially for an arm-to-arm across-the-chest shock - which is why I'd adopted the belt-and-braces (wall switch and MCB) approach to begin with. But it only takes a second's inattention...

Reply to
NY

Because it will not have an earth conductor. They don't.

Bill

Reply to
williamwright

No most drills since the 70s seem to be double insulated with two core mains leads. I did have an old Wolf drill that was earthed and I did suddenly realise why, it had a completely metal body. Brian

Reply to
Brian Gaff (Sofa

Many old drills were double insulated and unearthed, despite having metal bodies.

Reply to
Steve Walker

Indeed. There have never been any drills with completely metal chucks!

Reply to
newshound

I once hired a carpet cleaner which was double insulated, but had a metal outer case, presumably for durability. Unfortunately, the cable had slipped through the grip, whilst still functioning, and the live conductor had made contact with the casing. I only realised there was a problem when it sparked to a radiator.

Luckily no harm done, and hire fee waived, but it could so easily have been much more serious.

Chris

Reply to
Chris J Dixon

Got any photos?

Double trimmer on the top step?

Nice info.

Reply to
ARW

That's an interesting statement.

I think all of mine have completely metal chucks, would you like a picture?

Certainly the old Mason Master I inherited from my Grandfather with the rubber flex - metal case, metal chuck, metal nearly everything...

Just like this one

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except it has a bit more paint.

Andy

Reply to
Vir Campestris

Sorry, not an interesting statement, it's a totally mangled version of two alternative ways of phrasing my thought. All chucks contain some metal. I was trying to say that even modern key-free chucks with rubber or plastic on the outside still have some touchable metal parts.

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newshound

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