Re: OT: Scotland and Vax Passports

Number limited by the lock-downs?

Every little helps.

The gummint tried every single option to limit intensive care cases to something that could be managed. It is impossible to say which ones made a difference.

- Masks

- Social distancing

- Lockdown

- Improved hygiene and hand washes.

- Vaccines.

The notion of using a booster came in long after the known need for two jabs. In terms of the length of the outbreak.

Many already have annual flu jabs.

You must know some very odd people.

I'd like you to explain what the 'powerful and influential' would gain for themselves by making vaccination compulsory? Are you unable to ever see the common good?

Love to know what influenced your thinking away from what is basically common sense.

A s*it ton of money mainly. And can't you see many people in positions of influence becoming "power pissed"?

Common sense is subjective. Just because either of us thinks our logic is sound, doesn't necessarily make it so.

Over vaccination? No. I'll leave that to those who think they include a chip to track your every move.

Vaccination has known to be the answer to so many viruses (etc) for so many years, it becomes part of common sense.

My peer group are largely people whose opinion I value and who I consider to be intelligent and clued up. Many are business people and professionals (solicitors/surveyors/optometrists etc) but in any case all working in respectable careers, not that that automatically makes them intelligent but even so, and leaving myself aside, I doubt anyone would consider them a bunch of muppets.

It *cannot* be a coincidence that the majority of these people did not want a vaccine. Many have had it, granted, but that's down to family pressure, concerns about not being able to travel or work (will it become compulsory for opticians I wonder as we have a NHS contract?) and such. Fair play though, some welcomed it.

So you tell me, what's the link? My suggestion is that they are all under 55, mainly healthy and not afraid of letting their own immunity deal with covid should they come to contract it.

Why? Is it just that project fear has waned around these parts? Perhaps. East Lancs has had times where covid was rife so everyone got to hear of someone who'd had it and this was before the vaccine roll out. "S*it" we though, early on, "are they OK?". Yes, they were. One after the other. I can remember the first case of someone I know personally having it and I recall the anxiety. Fast forward a little, a few more had had it, neighbours on both sides had had it in their households, current day it's almost commonplace to have had it or closely know someone who has.

So I guess we are lucky in a morbid way, the big red numbers on the daily briefings don't terrify us.

I'm merely stating facts here. Most I know did/do not want the vaccine and some are digging their heels in firmly and will need dragging away and forced to have it should it become compulsory.

I accept it has harmed a lot of people but based on what I can see with my own eyes (and that is the only thing that's cast in stone isn't it?) it is not a thing for the masses to fear as much as it would appear would be liked.

So no, not being terrified of covid when younger and healthy does *not* make you odd.

Keep yourselves safe in whatever way necessary but can we please drop the hysteria, that is unhealthier than the virus in my genuine opinion! But if you want to choose fear and a lifetime of injections and restrictions, that's your bag but while this keeps turning towards the topic of selfishness just take a moment to think about the way affects, for example, others like us.

I had to go into A & E early in lockdown. I really needed an angiogram. I couldnt have one, because Papworth was full of COVID patients on the life support systems they have for heart operations.

Thanks to Covid, and people like you , I didn't get the treatment I needed last year and had a heart attack this year.

You mate, can f*ck right off.

Because of what the nurses and staff told me at the hospital, I know how bad Covid can be, That it wasn't for you, is just pure luck.

I don't give a f*ck if you, healthy and under 50, survived it. Many have not. I wouldn't care so much if it was just you, but it isn't. An unvaccinated person will carry far more disease around .

I suppose you are in favour or reintroducing smoking in pubs on the grounds that it is simply a personal choice, and allowing drink driving on the basis that is your life to waste.

Depend on whether it's just for transport or racing (organised or "boy racer").

It's the competitive element that leads to overdoing it.

Vaccines given to those who need them which have been rigorously tested. I'll concede to you that *that* is common sense.

Given the tale you've told and that comment directly above it would appear this debate is no help to anybody.

I wish you no ill, genuinely all the best to you. I think your experiences differ so much from my own that we cannot meet anywhere in the middle. My efforts weren't meant to get anyone's heckles up, rather the opposite, I had hoped what I share might provide comfort and hope to some.

A fail, it would seem. Over and out, stay well.

Some Covidiots want to wait 10 years for the vaccine to be properly tested. Bless.

Have you noticed Covidiots are not the smartest people you've ever met?

How can hysteria (if there is any) ever be worse than a virus?

Do you refuse the flu jab every year?

Selfish people can't understand that giving up a small part of their social life can bring big benefits to everyone.

And all equally selfish and deluded, then.

You get vaccinated not just for yourself, but the benefit of everyone. Including cutting down the load on the NHS.

You have a much greater chance of catching and becoming very ill with Covid if not vaccinated than you have of a bad reaction to the vaccine. Making vaccination a win win.

I hope your professional pals are rather better at analysing data in their own field than they are in this.

Not that old chestnut. The Covid vaccines have now been tested on millions.

Weasel words. You do wish ill to all those who have had treatment delayed buy the refusal of you and so many to be vaccinated.

If he's 48, I don't think he'll be offered it yet?

It's truly sad how some people are so self-centred they can't rein in their social life and conveniences for the sake of long term public health. I wonder if it comes from the way that generation was brought up to think mainly of itself.

I wonder what accounts for the unjustified claim that RDS can list dozens of people who died from the vaccine. He also claims there was a press report yesterday of a 40-year old Brit who died from the vaccine but I can't find it.

I've noticed that people who dive on a term like covidiots aren't.

Do you say 'simples' a lot too?

Quite.

I got covid indirectly from a 13 year old child. It's really very easy to take the moral high ground isn't it when you are a wheezing septuagenarian who will benefit from the vaccine and demanding that children who don't need such vaccines have them unnecessarily year after year after year to protect you, while at the same time calling others selfish. You genuinely couldn't make it up!

You are aware of the sacrifices that all of society made last year and much of this, aren't you? Socially, financially, mentally.....

YOU'RE WELCOME!!!

There you go, if we must, though what comfort you'll draw from it I don't know, I get none, as i've stated too many times i'm not anti vax, though you could argue that this guy died to save the much mooted 80 year old Nan.