Re: OT: air india crash

But do you choose to do it? I think not Stop wriggling and weaselling

You know perfectly well what was meant.

You keep ignoring the possibility that the switches may have had a problem.

That's incorrect.

Yes, the switches went to off, and were put on again.

The possible reasons are: Deliberate Accidental because someone's mind wasn't on the job Accidental because the lock thingies were not working.

Hopefully, the AAIB final report will clarify. In the meantime, you are starting to appear a bid odd because you refuse to accept that there are in fact 3 possibilities.

Funnily enough, I can read as easily whichever way up the book is. You're beginning to make it sound like that's unusual?

Stop being so wrong, then! :)

How do I know it? You're being obsessive.

Oh they do perceptibly respond. Have you never ridden cross wind and turbulence down to the deck? Or been in, or seen a plane do a go around?

But that is not relevant. They responds at the same rate so if one was cut off a second before the other the effect will be seen one second before the other

E.g. "Specifically, the time it takes for the engine to transition from idle to full thrust can range from a few seconds to upwards of eight seconds, depending on the specific engine and its operating conditions. "

And presumably similar in the downward direction. There will be an instant loss of jet thrust, but the turbofan will keep going a bit longer obviously

Turbofans are not instant, but they are pretty fast to respond

Or check this for idle to full power transition

No, you are. You wont face the facts

I will leave it to the rest of your readership to tell if you are trolling or not, and let you know how many times they regularly and casually read a book upside down

You keep ignoring the fact that if any hint of a problem had been detected we would have known by now.

Oh purlease.

Taking off with over a hundred passengers and mind not on the job enugh to perform a deliberate action that is completely abnormal on switches that are never near any others in normal take off operations

Oh purlease. Both? At the EXACT worst time guaranteed to cause big trouble?

No. I just think clearer and know far more about aircraft than it seems you do.

We do know that from other pilots who have flown that particular plance since that panel was changed. The interlocks dont just fall off.

But the investigators do, there must be other pilots who recognise the voices and it is also possible to work that out from the recorded comms with ATC given that we must know who said what clearance wise before takeoff etc

There is evidence that Air India didnt bother to check

But that was not mandated, just recommended

It means what it says and the alternative is mandated which didnt happen

Please share the source for that information.

Incidentally I consider it unlikely that none of their pilots read that SAIB, and didn't out of curiosity check that it didn't apply to their aircraft, _even though_ it had a different type of switch.

Andy

I've been in a four engined plane when the pilot shut an engine down, and I didn't feel a damn thing.

And I've been in all sorts of bumpy weather, and felt the plane go all over the place, even though the engines were running at steady power.

And there's an awful lot of inertia in that big fan at the front, and it provides most of the thrust.

Andy

There is MASSIVE disinformation going the rounds on this one especially from the Indian community. And peole who are Airbus shills.

Of course. Any failure of the detents would be a matter for immediate logging and a maintenance action.

But people simply are not thinking this through. BOTH switches IDENTICALLY worn that BOTH just *happened* to fail at the *worst possible moment*?

This is not reasonable alternatives, this is denial.

A 4 is not a twin

Then you wer not landing, were you?

There is about 3 seconds of inertia in it and its about 60% of the thrust

Can the fuel switches be operated remotely?

Nope, that would be MUCH too dangerous

No

I've come across that type of switch before, where you have to pull it out, to change it's setting. I wonder if whoever set them to on, pulled them out, flipped them to almost the on position, but not all the way over the mechanical 'hump' latched position? Vibration, from take-off, might have been enough to move the switches back to engine off position.