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> > >>As an aside to this (off topic for everyone but interesting), is that
> > >>when the shots were fired, a motorcycle outrider had his radio left
> > >>switched on by accident. This was recorded at the police station. The
> > >>quality is very poor and has not improved with age but it is at
> > >>present being scanned with all the latest in microscope technology. If
> > >>there were other shots, they should show up on this enhanced
> > >>recording. Results are due later this year.
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> > > they keep looking for new evidence when the old evidence is good > enough. > > >
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> > not to mention the "lone gunman" and "acted alone" are not the same thing. > >
> > Vince
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> yes, but neither is true.
Far too much circumstantial evidence that proves a number of people were involved. And a man would have to lean out of a window using a cheap Italian bolt action rifle to get 3 rounds off in a matter seconds and "two" hits. No one has managed that yet, and few have tried.
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I suggest you find out what Oswald did whilst in the USA army, as for someone since copying what Oswald was meant to have done - someone who holds the same training as Oswald got whilst in the USA army has done it and with the same rifle.
He must have modified it and made it into a super weapon, as no one else has managed to have two hits hanging out of a window with such crap. Or was their more than one, and Oswald's bullets never hit?
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I was a great conspiracy theorist until I read the Norman Mailer book. The FBI and much of the US establishment made Oswald out to be wierdo loser. Mailer's analysis suggests he was a man of rare determination and persistence.
That he did. He also said he was set up too. He was involved, but I think he was used too, and never knew who the other gunmen were. Conveniently he was shot while all these Redneck policemen standing around allowed a loony to shoot him. It all stinks to high heaven.
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Does that mean he let off 3 round with a sub standard bolt action rifle hanging out of a windows and had two hits? His army record proved he was an average shot in an ideal target gallery situation with a better rifle. He must have improved a hell of a lot then. Directly after the shots the crowd, and policemen, were running around the grassy knoll as that is where they heard some shots come from.
Maxie, what were you doing in 1963?
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He probably would though. It's a technique that is called 'lying'.
Pre-WW2 many armies trained on 1000 yard ranges and the average squaddie was expected to score hits at that range, using the standard iron sights. Oswald's rifle had a telescopic sight. Post-WW2 rifle accuracy was generally sacrificed in the interests of rate-of-fire. Many old bolt action rifles are accurate; they have long barrels. I don't know how knackered Oswald's army-surplus one was.
No, from inside the building, in the shadows and with the weapon on a rest built from boxes of books.
I understood (and I can't be bothered to check) that he'd trained as a sniper whilst in the USMC. A mediocre shot could achieve hits at the ranges involved. I think it was below 200 metres and again I would check if I had any interest in this topic; I haven't.
The man on the floor below heard the action being operated and the spent cartridges falling on the floor above his head. A BBC programme had a 3D computer model which showed the 'magic bullet theory' was simple ballistic fact. As to the rate of fire, the ballistics consultant demonstrated that 3 aimed shots could be easily discharged in the time achieved by the gunman/gunmen/Oswald.
Where they thought they'd heard the shots coming from. It's difficult to locate the source of high-velocity gunfire in a built-up area. There are 2 separate sounds (crack from projectile, followed by thud from firing position) and they both echo off buildings.
There's no great doubt as to what happened. The conspiracy theory has been greatly embroidered to be re-sold to the credulous. JFK DVD anyone? And can I also interest you in a magnetic water conditioner?
With restricted line of fire, and near impossible to let off those rounds with bolt, and get two on target out of three.
He was an average shot at best.
That was so. But Oswalds bullets did not hit the car.
Others have criticised that, say the measurements were not accurate and that too much supposition was used.
Seasoned markmen could not.
Built up. Deely Paza was open to the side and in front of the building. Nothing in front for a long, long way.
No buildings to echo from.
Oswalds army scores were at static targets, JFK was moving and he had to lean slightly to one side at a window. and fire off 3 rounds in 8 seconds with a bolt action rifle, of not a reputable quality, with an obscured view by foliage.
3 rounds, 2 hits, one in the head. Possible, but highly improbable. Have alook:
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car drove directly at the book depository, and the window Oswald was at, and slowly turned (being near stopped) in front of the window a matter of yards away. There were far better opportunities to fire and hit the target than swivel to the right as the car would be gaining in speed down th hill to fo under the bridge with few people around to wave at..
There was little doubt shots came from that window, and Oswald was involved. What was he waiting for? To coincide with the gunmen at the Grassy knoll and on the bridge? A lone nutter would have bumped of JFK when he was directly in front of the window when the car was near stopped, NOT when it was way down the street behind trees.
A TV documentary a number of years back interviewed all those people standing on the side of the road next to the car when the shots rang out, showing them on the documentary films next to the limo. Some were so close they cold almost touch the car. Many said shots came from the grassy knoll, and some said shots came from the bridge. A classic triple gun and they let off when the target is in the range triangle.
The point about JFK is, was Oswald working alone or not? There is too much circumstantial evidence to say he was not working alone. The programme put it across that Oswald just decided the day before to just go out and kill the president the next day.
The way the acoustic evidence that recorded a 4th shot was dismissed was laughable. They did say the LBJ went to his grave convinced that there was a conspiracy. He would also have access to info that the average man, or reporter, would not.
Too much circumstantial evidence to prove otherwise.
Magnetic? You are a in fantasy land.
Maxie? Now this grassy knoll. Were where you in Nov 1963. You could have been mistaken for a gnome on the knoll.
They were running in all directions, as the various films of the events show. Also, seeing that the knoll is a large mound of earth, it's perfect cover from *incoming* fire, it would not surprise me at all if some took cover behind it...
What restricted line of fire, FFS you don't know the first thing about the JFK shooting if you think at the point of firing there was anything but perfect line of sight.
That is simply wrong, he achieved well above average, if not going on to further training.
No bullets hit the car!
But no one has come up with any other data that will allow the computer program to kill JFK and injure John Connally in the same way.
FFS, someone has done just that, with the same type and age of rifle.
One reason, escape, if he had discharged his rifle were you say there would be no chance of escape (remember that Oswald was planning to go to Cuba with his wife and child, he was far from a 'mad man or insane.
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No, he would have had access to information that the CIA, FBI and his advisors wanted him to see. What is more significant is the fact that John Connally went to his grave still with one of the bullets in him - why, not why wasn't it removed within his life time but why wasn't it removed to post-mortem, as it might have proved if there was one gun or two?..
That is a very good point. One bullet missed and hit a pavement near the bridge. I don't think they retrieved the bullet. They retrieved the bullet that hit JFK, but I don't think they could match it to Oswald's gun.
People were running away through the knoll to the car park at the back, so any gunman would melt in with them, although hiding a rifle, unless it was a fold down rifle, would have been difficult.
A Secret Service man in LBJs car run out of the car and up the knoll, being certain that was where shots came from. A police motorcyclist dropped his bike and also ran up. The SS man was nearly left behind.and had to dive into an open press car to get back into the motorcade as it picked up speed. He shouldn't have left the car leaving LBJ exposed. Or was that a part of the ruse?
You are now suggesting that people were running *towards* were you say the gun fire came from, that is simply stupid, people run away or duck of cover, they do not go towards danger...
I'm nor suggesting it, they did just that. People were on the knoll and in front and they ran through the gaps to the car park behind. Their reaction was to get away from the road and the cars.
But you said previously that you reckoned that a sniper was in or near the knoll and that a secrete service office ran that way believing a gunman was there, now you are saying that was no gunman there - make your mind up idiot.
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