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whisky-dave 7 years ago

>> > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>>>

> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Here the increase is East Europeans, not Asians, although a few
> >> >>>> miles
> >> >>>> away it is indeed Asians. My point is that immigration as a whole is
> >> >>>> too
> >> >>>> high and we need to cut it down. So far governments have failed to
> >> >>>> do
> >> >>>> that and even if they did at the moment, there would be a gaping
> >> >>>> hole in
> >> >>>> that we have no restrictions on the numbers coming from the EU. > >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Without looking it up, I think that half or slighly more of
> >> >>> the immigrants over the past few years have been from outside
> >> >>> the EU, so we could (and should have done already) slash the
> >> >>> figures by 50% without leaving the EU.
> >> >>
> >> >>> So why didn't we?
> >> >>
> >> >> Quite. But this country has relied too long on a stream of immigrants
> >> >> to
> >> >> do jobs the English don't want to do.
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps with doctors and nurses it;s because the hours are too long and
> >> > we in the UK do work longer hours than a lot of EU wrokers. > >>
> >> There are a couple of different problems.
> >>
> >> With doctors, a lot are retiring early, because the government reduced
> >> the lifetime cap on pensions, so it makes more sense for them to retire
> >> early instead of continuing to contribute to their pension pot and being
> >> taxed heavily for it.
>
> > Then why isn;t teh answer not to tax them so heavily ?
>
> Because that applys to all substantial income earners, not just doctors.

Maybe they need help fiddling their taxes returns then.

There'd be one hell of a stink if doctors had their own special tax deal.

Like a lot of high end componies but they manage it via shares and other options.

>> With both doctors and nurses, we simply
> >> don't offer enough training places.
>
> > Then why not.
>
> It costs a lot to provide those.

Why does it cost us mor eto provide them that other countries then ?

> Exactly so why support such an idea like the free movement
> > of people which only encourages such things the last time
> > this happened was during the slave trade
>
> The last time that happened was actually just after war with the > windrushers.

No it wasn't as we were importing particular people for particualar purposes the NHS and transport being the biggest two. They weren;t imported for a couple of months fruit pickin, they were here tpo replace those we lost in WWII

I don;t remmebr there being a war after WWII where a substantial number of UK men were killed and needed replacing after the mid 70s. Pergaps the falklands war.

255 wasn't really enough to start a new windrush generation was it.

> because we didn't have enough workers we imported them,
> > shoved them into overcrowded towns so the landowners
> > and other wealthy people could make a greater profit.
>
> So things could get done in fact.

No to save money, save having to actually train people to do the jobs needed.

> > The EU seems to be encouraging such
> > migration rather than trying to stop it.
>
> The EU is doing what the UK did in the past,

So it should have learnt from those mistakes, but instead decided to follow the mistakes.

encourage those who can?t find work where
> they are to move to where the work is. That?s
> why the Plowcunt ended up in London.

Yeah but only in sarf Lundon, it hardly counts ;-)

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Rod Speed 7 years ago

That regulation has nothing to do with fiddling tax returns.

Not possible for a doctor. They can't even operate as a corporation.

Because the labor and other costs are much higher in the UK than in India and Pakistan and the Philippines, stupid.

That’s a pig ignorant lie with the windrushes. And slaves were imported for particular purposes too.

Wrong, as always.

Wrong with the windrushes.

It wasn’t a mistake, it did make sense at the time. And does now for the EU too given its one hell of an incentive for the dregs of eastern europe to join the EU which the EU sees as evidence that the EU is successful. And in that sense it is.

It wasn’t a mistake then and isnt a mistake now for the EU.

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whisky-dave 7 years ago

If they had help sending their money to a tax haven island, or could do an amazon then they wouldn't be paying a high rate of tax then so effectively have more cash in their pocket.

Why can't they, what differnce does a corporation make ?

What other costs do you mean things like housing, well in the past they had nurses accomedation that was cheaper than renting, now the majority have to pay higher costs becuase of teh private rental market which has been encouraged, via the selling off and removel of council housing.

As I said similar situation to fill a gap, which could have been avioded.

right as always. What was the Windrush generation? Between 1948 and 1970, nearly half a million people moved from the Caribbean to Britain, which in 1948 faced severe labour shortages in the wake of the Second World War. The immigrants were later referred to as "the Windrush generation".

Try reading up on it.

But doesn;t now, and there was a rise i9n racism which they should have seen coming, because that is what happens in such situations.

Exactly who in the EU sees it as succsessful, those in power with money,

few if any others do, the majority of Greece, spain and italy doesn't Germany does OK, even though in Berlin the locals complain that those serving cofffee don't speak german, but English.

It is for a lot of people.

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