Push fit plumbing - any good?

[Aidan]

Are you a politician? You were wrong.

[:::Jerry::::]

No it is not, or are you one of those people who on entering a room filled with people demand that they only discuss what you want discussed and in the way you want it discussed - if you bothered to read those parts of the threads that you complain about you would see that through the 'banter' some valuable information does in fact come through.

You really have not worked out how Usenet works, in reality what the group is called is irrelevant, the group is what those posting to it make it. Always has been and always will be I suspect. Don't like it, move on...

And in all that time you have not even learnt how to reply to messages correctly, or how to even access the medium in a more suitable way - and considering that both are free there is really no excuses, all you are doing is showing up your own (dear I say, mental) deficiencies IMO....

I wish you would !

You might not want to learn what a kill file is or how to use one, but I can assure you that most people on Usenet do know both and are have no problems using it, that said, I can see only one person in this thread heading for inclusion in them and it's not myself, Andy, even IMM or any of the other 'regulars' who have replied to this thread - that leave only you...

As you keep saying, please finish this now, for your own credibility if nothing else, you won't change how or what Usenet is, no one will (other than state imposed censorship !).

[:::Jerry::::]

And just who are you, by the sounds of it, another IMM, 'I am correct and everyone else is wrong'.

[Mike Tomlinson]

In article , Aidan writes

*plonk* another dimbulb joins DIMM in the twitlist.

[Aidan]

Information of this type on Push-fit plumbing MIGHT have been posted in this thread if it hadn't been hi-jacked at an early stage to post your self-indulgent nonsense. I had more information but was lurking, waiting to see what other had to say.

OK, where is the information of this type on push-fit plumbing? You have the newsreader, so educate me a little. Where do I find it? Obviously, it is not in this thread.

[Andy Hall]

No. As I told you, to the extent that I covered the topic, I was correct. I didn't cover the arrangements for delivering water from relief valves outside the house either, but it wasn't necessary to answer the question to the extent needed.

.andy

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[:::Jerry::::]

So why didn't you post this most valuable information and thus cancel out some of the 'noise', rather than start making 'noise' of your own ?!..

The point I suspect Andy is making is that in a decent (in fact almost any) 'newsreader' once a thread in the readers opinion has gone off topic it can be deleted or hidden, unlike trying to use a web page to view the group were all every message, in every thread is listed in all it's gore.

[1] with a couple of notable exception, were a message was marked for non archiving and in binary groups, which are not archived AIUI.

[Andy Hall]

It wasn't "hijacked at an early stage" or at any other for that matter

If you had or have something useful to post then you should have posted it. You are entirely at liberty to do so.

It's pointless commenting on the posts of others if you don't make a useful contribution yourself.

So far all that you have done is claimed to be in some way experienced and qualified but have not demonstrated or proved it - the ways to do so are obvious.

This is an unmoderated Usenet group which is open to all to both write and to read. It isn't a vehicle for professional advice.

In fact there are quite a large number of people here who are and are known to be involved professionally in areas that benefit topics discussed here. We have heating engineers, plumbers, electricians, electrical engineers, structural engineers, cabinet makers, building control officers, to name but a few. Without exception (so far), those who do have a professional involvement in one of these areas do not make a big noise about it and post information where appropriate.

The point was about the appropriate method to work with Usenet newsgroups.

Try typing 'usenet news readers' into your favourite search engine and you will find plenty of them.

.andy

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

Another who thinks only he has the definitive knowledge on something...

[Andy Hall]

Exactly. Thank you.

.andy

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[Aidan]

So, you shouldn't have told him the specific type of control valve that he required? You were wrong to do that, then. You should have limited your answer to 'Yes'.

You seem to have a problem confronting the fact that you have made a mistake.

[:::Jerry::::]

LOL.. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Seems to me if you have a comment on the advice given - or more advice to give - you should go ahead and do it, instead of wasting all this space. The very thing you're complaining about.

[Andy Hall]

I've already explained to you several times that the issue is completely irrelevant because it was never going to be a DIY job in the first place.

Not really. It seems to me that you are trying to make an issue out of absolutely nothing, while having nothing of value to contribute.

If you think that the issue of which controls are used is so important, why don't you use your so-called professional expertise and provide a detailed and documented solution suitable for a DIYer for attaching a pressurised cylinder to a combi boiler.

Of course you should include references for the legislation and relevant British or international standards that specify the types of controls required and manufacturer part numbers.

.andy

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[IMM]

A mistake is when you know but don't do it properly. When you don't know in the first place it is ignorance.

[:::Jerry::::]

So you don't make mistakes then... :~)

[G&M]

I have to say that generally Andy's posts are the most authoritative sources of information (provided you can afford to buy the tools he suggests :-) but if you see an Andy/IMM alternating thread just ignore it.

[IMM]

Forget the heating/water system suggestions. Pure amateur.

[IMM]

What do you want to know? Ask and I'll tell you.

[Capitol]

Try a bit of top posting to get them really upset!!

Aidan wrote: etc.

If you want sensible answers on push fit plumbing and quite a few other topics, as you have found, this is frequently not the place to look for them. I'd have put the signal to noise ratio as at least 1:1000 if some 5 regular contributors waste space replying. Many of the group regulars are still trapped in a socialising , pedantic, Canutic past comfort zone, using 20th century bottom replying news readers and not bothering to consider that some poor soul might be trying to follow the rare worthwhile thread up on a Google group search, where the reply gets cropped. They also suffer from serious repetition problems.

If you accept that usenet is a self expression forum widely used by many people who have no other purpose in life, then you can reckon that very few answers to a question will have any useful information after the first 10 respondents. Additionally realise that critical comments even when absolutely true will be attacked from all sides!! It has all the characteristics of a political party, where truth is unacceptable!

IMM at least has a viewpoint which is frequently an original thought provoking contribution even if perhaps sometimes a little impractical! I just still can't get to grips with the concept of tangoing up a ladder in a tutu to fail to install push fit plumbing and two combi's! (LOL)

I've probably been killfiled as a heretic by most of the respondents concerned, which I can only regard as a blessing. I think you might consider it the same way. I don't bother to killfile anyone, they might one day, hopefully, produce something useful.

My only experiences of push fit plumbing are with a shower pump, where the fittings are all brass and extremely rigid, this has been a short term success