Push fit plumbing - any good?

I don't know if you're the same Aiden on www.periodproperty or not, but if you are surely you see that here one person doesn't ruin the site whereas there on a supposedly moderated site one person most definitely has as there are no blocking tools to cut our her vile opinions.

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You're telling me. I feel that I've been done by Bliar every day.

.andy

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Andy Hall

In message , IMM writes

While what you've written above doesn't make sense ...

Railways - what a disaster NHS - frigged the figures Education - don't make me laugh

OK, they forced the foxhunting bill through out of sheer desperation

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raden

I thought that was great.

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IMM

tsk, tsk, tsk.

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IMM

You must have strange feelings every day. Get them sorted on your private health insurance.

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IMM

Putting it right Maxie after the clowns ruined it.

Oh you are porkie telling.

Highest ever A level results. SA fabulous success.

..and about time too. Bargain hunting should be dealt with next.

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IMM

Of course. They are also at liberty to read the content or not.

You really haven't caught on to the fact that Usenet is predominantly a writer driven medium, have you?

The point was that it is you who is the newcomer into the room........

People come and go all the time. As numerous people, who have been here for a long time have said to you, the signal to noise ratio in this group is actually quite good in comparison to most.

Usenet is a discussion medium and people contribute in different ways and with differing views. You can either choose to like that or not. The whole point of it is that it is, for the most part a medium open for all with most groups unmoderated.

As I've said to you, if you want to have a discussion group that does what you want, go and set up a moderated one up on Yahoo - it's free of charge

Then I would suggest that you go and look at manufacturer's data sheets.

If you want to use Usenet as a medium, go and read up about the way it works and the way that it is used. Then make your decision. Like it and use it the way it is or find somewhere else. It won't change to suit you.

If you actually read the whole thread and the question asked, you would realise that the OP (that means original poster, by the way), was asking only about the principle of using a pressurised cylinder heated by a combi boiler. He clearly stated that he was going to use a plumber and not DIY the job. It was therefore completely unnecessary to get into a discussion about the requirements for the installation of said pressurised cylinder.

If you took the trouble to look at previous threads, you would discover that I have regularly said that installation of a pressurised cylinder is not a DIY job, as have other regular posters here.

I take a great deal of care with what I write on subjects like this, and if I am in any doubt as to the circumstances of the question, I cover possible dangers very carefully.

If you are going to try to pick holes in what is written, at least take the trouble to research it properly first, rather than making a fool of yourself.

I think that you are the naive one here by not understanding the context and intent of what is said.

As I and others have said, you have not taken the trouble to inform yourself about the Usenet medium and certainly not about what happens in this news group.

Had you taken the trouble to do so, you would realise that it is extremely rare that there is any flaming (this is another Usenet term and you can look it up) or malice in exchanges in this group.

I really do wish you would.

.andy

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Andy Hall

My God! A wrecker of forums eh! I think this is a case for Scotland Yard.

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IMM

In message , IMM writes

You've been sniffing Hawk White, haven't you

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raden

In message , Aidan writes

Uk-diy is like an open club

It has people who come and go, it has it's lurkers and it has it's regulars.

There are only two rules really 1) no top posting and 2) no commercial advertising

Other than that, it accepts all and sundry and, while it is generally based around diy subjects, it isn't exclusively so.

Those of us who post regularly here want a bit more than dry factual threads on occasion, and DIMM baiting falls in that category.

It is a very successful NG, we have our differences, but we all pull together when duty calls

Some of us have contributed to the FAQs, some have advice to give, some enjoy a bit of diversion

most of us don't like being told what to do by a newbie who has yet to contribute anything useful

You have a choice fit in or f*ck off, it's that simple. We're not going to change just for you

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raden

Maxie, you are not abusing Dim Lin the luscious far eastern lovely already are you?

Well said Maxie!

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IMM

It's the problem with all of them. Talk is cheap.

So saying, this lot seemed to have kept, in general, the economy on a pretty level plain regardless of world recession etc with none of the usual boom and burst.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Buy a book, then. Or search the internet.

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Dave Plowman (News)

And just who caused the present mess? Some people have very short memories. Or perhaps you'd have been happy to pay for the whole lot to be sorted properly?

It's certainly in a better state than it was when they took office.

And just who has a practical solution to that one?

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Dave Plowman (News)

Who, Evelyn? I'm honestly a bit baffled as to what you're referring to, although I don't read it all.

She's fairly harmless, I thought, although with strong opinions about SPAB, lime mortar, uPVC windows, etc.. Still harmless though. Maybe I had missed something.

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Aidan

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

They inherited a mess, yes

But these were amongst the things which they made election pledges on

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raden

"The point was that it is you who is the newcomer into the room........"

That is a red herring, i.e., it is irrelevant. The relevant point is that this is still a DIY discussion room.

I've been reading posts here for about a year and posting occasionally probably for about 6 months. You lot may have been posting here longer, but that does not give you squatters' rights of ownership. You consistently ruin many threads.

"and DIMM baiting falls in that category." If IMM baiting occupied a small proportion of the posts, then I wouldn't care. It has completely taken over too many of the posts, to the detriment of the group/site.

"Then I would suggest that you go and look at manufacturer's data sheets."

No, I had hoped to read peoples' opinions and experiences. Like the plastic inserts on Speedfit restricting the pipe bore and imposing a significant hydraulic resistance. Or the suitability of Speedfit Pex/Al/Pex on domestic softened water systems. Things like that, the possible points of weakness in their systems that manufacturers don't mention.

"If you actually read the whole thread and the question asked???" "He clearly stated that he was going to use a plumber and not DIY the job" "I take a great deal of care with what I write on subjects like this, and if I am in any doubt as to the circumstances of the question, I cover possible dangers very carefully." "If you are going to try to pick holes in what is written, at least take the trouble to research it properly first, rather than making a fool of yourself."

Your reply to the OP was; "Then have the cylinder installed with the coil fed via a diverter valve or zone valves from the CH circuit. The valve(s) would need to be fitted before the first radiator and a thermostat for the cylinder added, but that is broadly it."

That is broadly wrong. Oh, dear.

You could not legally use a diverter valve unless the cylinder also has a zone valve. Alternatively, you'd need two zone valves (DHWS & HTG), a simpler arrangement. The primary and secondary resettable thermostats required should come with the unvented cylinder. You'd probably also need a new 2-channel programmer. Just see the Honeywell web-site for a diagram. If I contradicted what you had written, it was because it was misleading. You should have taken the trouble to research it properly, rather than have made yourself look foolish. It was fortunate that a newbie around to correct the OP. But then this site exists for your mutual admiration, doesn't it, not for DIY information, so that's OK.

If the OP employed a plumber, it would not follow that the plumber had passed the recommended training course. Even if he had, it would not follow that he would do the job correctly. There are just too many knuckle-draggers in the heating trade. The two-port zone valve usually comes loose and often ends up in the back of a plumber's van. I've seen it happen.

"the signal to noise ratio in this group is actually quite good" And you are generating most of the noise. Do you read any of the stuff you post here? Choosing a few random quotes;

"Well said Maxie!" "IS your name DIMM ? no? Should be OK then" "Where's DIMM, has he broken his hacksaw blade or what?" "Probably runs on Windows 3.1 and still booting up for the month."

Does it mean anything? Do you think anyone, anywhere wants to read it? Why don't you all just e-mail it to each other? Nobody else is interested in it.

"We're not going to change just for you"

"Finish it. I really do wish you would." I have. You lot really are boring.

Finish it. Unfortunately, you won't.

Finish it.

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Aidan

Strange the way those who complain about off topic posting always use far more bandwidth than the posts they're complaining about...

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Dave Plowman (News)

...and so it predominantly is.

... in your view. Nobody is forcing you to read specific threads or, for that matter, the writings of any particular person.

Certainly there is no notion of squatters rights, but when you join any community, you don't expect to impose your rules on it on day one if at all.

Again in your view.

They are there and can easily be found. If you used a proper newsreader, then you would have no difficulty at all.

Information of this type on various subjects is posted almost daily, by various people.

No, it's completely correct as far as it goes. I didn't set out to provide a complete solution because it was not requested or required..

It was not misleading at all in the context and for the purpose intended, which was simply to say that the solution enquired about by the OP is feasible and to give an outline of it. Since it was not going to be a DIY job, there is absolutely no point in covering aspects that a plumber or heating engineer would be doing anyway.

There was no need to research it to the detail that you are implying because it wasn't required to answer the question.

In that sense, it is you who is being foolish for introducing subject matter that is not relevant to the circumstances of the question being asked.

There was nothing to correct, because the question was simply about the feasibility of connecting a pressurised cylinder to a combi boiler. The answer to that is yes.

It isn't a site, it is a Usenet group. If you wish to access it via a web browser, that's up to you, but you lose most of the facilities of using the technology properly.

So tell us something that we don't know. The same thing applies to any trade or profession.

That has become very apparent.

Then I propose that you go and look for excitement elsewhere.

As I already told you, nobody is forcing you to read any thread or any post.

.andy

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Andy Hall

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