1. I am shortly to rewire my upstairs lighting, (the wiring is in the
loft). When new loft insulation is shortly added the cable will be
buried under the insulation, but I am not clear whether the regs
require that the cable needs fixing to the joists, or can just be laid
loose along the ceiling, (as the current wiring is).
[NB. We have already discussed the cable derating implications in
2. In replacing the wiring to the light switches, I intend to use the
existing cable to pull through the new stuff, (it is in oval conduit).
Has anyone got any tips for how to mechanically connect the two
cables, obviously with the smallest possible cross section to enable
the joint to pass through the conduit. Is insulating tape generally
strong enough ??
The usual way would be to strip several inches of the copper bare to
allow a loop to be formed in the copper in each of the wires to be
joined. That keeps the bulk down and is sometimes covered with a layer
of tape. Much depends on how much room is to spare in the conduit and
how freely the cable moves inside it.
On 11 Jan 2004 02:01:55 -0800, mike firstname.lastname@example.org
(Mike Hall) wrote:
If space in the conduit is limited (as it is bound to be) one option
would be to pull thru a length of curtain wire, and also a piece of
string (so that you've got the string and curtain wire in the
conduit), or perhaps pull the old cable out and pull some string thru
first, then pull thru the curtain wire AND further string.
Then you can put a hook in the end of the curtain wire to attach to
the new cable, and start pulling - without using the string.
The purpose of the string is that if the curtain wire becomes detached
from the new cable you can pull the curtain wire thru again on the
Once you've got the new cable thru pull the string out because it
isn't needed any longer.
Make sure you use string which is strong though - none of this stuff
that spiders would reject for building their webs - if you can break
it by pulling between your hands it isn't strong enough.
You would also be well advised to dust the new cable with talcum
powder as it enters the conduit - this will greatly assist its passage
thru the conduit. However on completion it would probably be a good
idea to put the vacuum cleaner on the end of the conduit and give it a
good blow/suck to remove the "loose" talc - though it isn't likely to
be a big problem fine dust can be a fire hazard.
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Strip back the outer sheath about 6 inches or so and cut off the earth.
Bare about 3 inches of the conductors. Form a loop by wrapping the bare
conductor over the insulation *in opposite directions* then do the same
with the new wire but of course thread one of the conductors through the
loop on the other first. Now pull tight and crunch the whole lot up as
smooth as possible with pliers, and cover with PVC tape. This will make a
mechanical joint nearly as strong as the cable itself - I've never had one
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Don't clip it where it will be stood on or something laid on top of it. Try
to keep cable runs around the edges if you plan not to drill through joists
and other timbers. If you do have to cross over a joist where you plan to
store items, then give the cable some robust protection so it doesn't get
squashed. That's about it.
What I do is as follows.
Strip off insulation outer on both.
Cut back all except one condictor and strip that.
fold over that and teh similar one on teh new wire, to make 'U's
Interlock those and twist together hard.
Cover the while joint in insulation tape.
This is about as small as it gets.
Some people use the old to draw a doubled string through, cut that, and
use one half to attach to the new wire., and leave the other in place
'just in case'
Recently had the whole house rewired and the sparks semed to loop
and twist one end of the conductors of one wire.
, thread all the conductors of the other wire through the initial loops
twist the individual loops together, then cover the lot in insulating tape
they didn't use talc., baby oil or other lubricants.
Pic just in case my description is a bit garbled
Don't clip wiring if it can be avoided! Just lay it with enough
slack, it's better to run it through then over the insulation.
As said before, hook the wires together then twist (so they're
joined by "eyes") - additionally, I have found fewer problems
when pulling wiring *up* conduits, rather than down. If you have
the misfortune to have a cable joint break so you have nothing
left to pull through with, you can suck a piece of strong string
through the conduit with a vacuum cleaner nozzle.
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