PHE says no flu at all

No, they don't. They merely suppress the strain(s) they were developed for more allowing other ones to become visible and possibly prosper

All the main variants existed before immunisation started

It is proven that the '5% for whom it is not effective' is a phrase only an Art Student would say and it is in fact meaningless

As meaningless as people who say 'wind turbines only produce for 30% of the time'.

In both cases its technical information parroted incorrectly by someone who didn't understand it in the first place.

Oh dear. Well f*ck off and die then, as the virus is a damned site nastier than the vaccine

Again you wear your ignorance like a medal awarded to you for technical incompetence.

Name me one medicine that will give problems down the line, and not immediately.

The ONLY example I can think of is high level radiotherapy.

You are inventing implausible cases.

If we waited 10 years to see if something was bad for us there would never be any new medicines at all.

The fact is that it simply doesn't happen

Sigh. The Art Student Speaks. Whilst not defending Merkel, the difference between approval - not harmful - and effective - actually works - is a distinction that seems to have utterly escaped you.

There was insufficient data to say whether AZ was effective in over 50s. They simply didn't risk testing it on older people, so the truth is not that its ineffective, but that no one knows if it is. However there is no reason why it would not be, and that is where the weaselling is coming from - the Big Pharma lackeys scent disaster and no one buying up their expensive vaccines if a not for profit one takes the world market.

They have bribed the right people to do a FUD on the competition.

That this will cost a million lives is something they will never be held to account over, just like Blair and war crimes and Dr Kelly

No, there is no point in giving passports to people who wont or cant take the vaccine or a tet to show antibodies.

If that debars them from a normal life, so be it

Odd how many variants we've had before the vaccines were used, Bert? Perhaps that doesn't fit into your agenda.

That certainly shows your true colours.

Then even less point in passports in the first place.

No. The point of passports is to ensure high vaccine take up.If you start giving them to people who *aren't* vaccinated then then *that* is when they become pointless

So compulsory medication in contravention of international law by the back door.

Not at all. No one forces you to have the vaccine or a normal life.

Just as no one is forcing you to have a smart meter, or an electric car

Are you intimating that those who don't want the vaccine are going to be held down against their will to be vaccinated.

Or do you agree there is still a choice?

Many countries require other vaccinations before children are permitted to start school. They are still not mandatory, but life is a lot harder without them and no-one has yet said that those countries have been breaking the law for decades.

The argument that she could not have the AZ jab since it was against guidelines seemed a bit weak since it was their choice as to how the guidelines were set.

Still on the bright side it should let AZ off the hook when they moan they are not getting their contracted doses, someone will point at the millions they have in stock and are not using!

I don't think you have thought this through.... I am not vaccinated, but that is not my choice.

So is it still ok if someone who is vaccinated but behaving irresponsibly infects me?

Which is why you make multiple measurements using different methods to cross check the results.

If by choice I would agree with you, however there are some where the vaccination is not advised.

I know of an acquaintance in this situation due to a history of an autoimmune response, and an unknown trigger for what was a serious condition.

I believe Bert is considering the situation where you don't have the vaccine by way of choice.

Before everyone who wants the vaccine has it, I would entirely agree with you, but after you've had both shots?

You are in the sae medical situation as anyone else who has not been vaccinated

That is independent of the reason you have not been vaccinated. How would a vaccination certificate held by the irresponsible person actually help you? How would you not having such a certificate help you?