PHE says no flu at all

Several things;

Vaccination will not necessarily prevent you being infected, all it can do it improve the bodies response, making it faster and more effective. The aim being to prevent serious illness, hospitalisation, long term complications and/or death. The immune response can only do its thing, once it has already been "invaded" by the pathogen. So is still likely that a small window of time could remain where you could transmit the infection on. Hence vaccinated people tooling about like they are now captain Teflon are a liability for everyone else.

Mutations are a continued and natural part of the lifecycle of a virus. Since mutations are random, a few will improve the virus' ability to survive and reproduce, but many will lower it. Normally when there is already a dominant and successful strain in broad circulation, even potentially successful mutations may still not actually succeed since too many of the hosts they reach already have a sufficiently similar infection from a another strain[1], that they can't compete.

This does however make the start of a vaccination program a particularly risky one since it will drive down the reproductive rate of the current dominant strains, giving more scope for variants to gain traction. If these also happen to be less well targeted by the vaccine, then you can quickly find yourself back at square one. The way to minimise the rate of production of viable mutations, is to reduce the number of infected hosts.

That means that all the non vaccine protective measures need to stay in place for longer than may at first glance appear necessary in order to keep driving the overall number of infections down as low as possible.

Yes, but it does mean that it makes more sense to use the Pfizer which was tested on those.

But do have known deterioration in the immune response. That?s why they get a stronger dose with flu vaccinations.

But the Pfizer has, so it makes sense to use that on those instead.

But it makes more sense to use the Pfizer on those and that is precisely what they have done.

We arent talking about everyone, just the over 65s.

Australia has done the same thing, use both for the groups they are most appropriate for.

That?s not known yet.

We arent talking about just waiting, we are talking about using the Pfizer vaccine instead for that group.

I had a rather sobering chat with a former neighbour the other day. (fit, early 50's). She said that she and her husband got it last year, and they probably passed it onto her mum. Hubby recovered ok, but her mum died, and unknown to her at the time, she suffered quite serious cardiac damage. That only manifested when one day she went into cardiac arrest without any warning! Fortunately she was one of the very few to survive that outside of hospital, because she was with her husband when it happened, and he knew how to do effective CPR, worked out what was going on quickly enough, and was able to keep her alive until the ambulance got there.

A death certificate will need to include a medical assessment of the cause of death. Clear cases of Trauma would not usually be recorded as covid related even if there were a positive diagnosis.

We keep several different sets of stats in this country (PHE keep one set, and the ONS another).

Some record people who die within number of days of a positive test - so those will include some who died "with" covid rather than necessarily from it. However we also keep stats on those who have died where COVID is mentioned as a contributory cause on the death certificate.

Excess deaths compared to a baseline is yet another way of making an assessment.

This expands on it quite well:

That's why this is not a case of "seasonal flu".

The long haulers (people "damaged" long term by COVID) are getting to be a problem.

Some of the problem is related to blood clots (similar to deep vein thrombosis, you could have a heart attack or stroke, any time that a large clot breaks loose). That's one of the reasons low-dose heparin is administered here, to emergency cases. To try to reduce the size of clots. Maybe the whole time you're at hospital, you're on heparin.

And it's possible brain tissue is affected.

Paul

Perhaps I'm a bit ahead of the game, because I'm on apixaban anyway!

In article snipped-for-privacy@candehope.me.uk>, charles snipped-for-privacy@candehope.me.uk> writes

Very close though in this case, and if not again it makes the case for vaccine certificates illogical. You having had the vaccine are not totally immune so could collect the virus from someone else also vaccinated but not totally immune.

Another aspect is that vaccines trigger variants in the virus.

In article <s1adsv$1vp$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, tim... snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com writes

So you are not protected from someone else who is not vaccinated for whatever reason.

Passed safety test to date, not the 10 year safety tests nor even the 5 year safety tests, nor the two year safety tests.

In article <s1ambh$1gg3$ snipped-for-privacy@gioia.aioe.org>, RJH snipped-for-privacy@gmx.com writes

But it was approved for all age groups by the EU regulatory body

Would that be the Welsh one named after a famous station.

In article snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)" snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk> writes

That's a problem for the people who have not been vaccinated and if that is by choice then it's their risk.

None of this supports vaccine passports, rather the opposite.

Totally illogical.

In article <s1adqj$1hc$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, tim... snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com writes

So there's no point in the passport in the first place. The virus is no respecter of reason for no vaccine.

Indeed. Any method of measurement which influences what you are measuring soon become valueless. That's why voltmeters have high impedance.

Well due to lockdowns not that many people being run over - and in a normal year it's only about 1500 road deaths.

It's still not proven that the inoculated can't incubate the disease and pass it on