Parking ticket - Pay up? Fair cop?

[dennis]

There have been recent court cases where the court decide you have to pay the penalties unless they are unreasonable. IIRC the court thought £80 was reasonable.

YMMV.

[dennis]

Why should they be treated differently to patients and visitors?

They actually have a car park for staff but chose to park in a visitors car park as it was easier AIUI.

Thus making life more difficult for patients and visitors who can't park in the staff car park. They also didn't pay the charges made on visitors or patients which they could have.

[TimW]

Yes, very. And I can tell you his Mum was not too happy about the stuff coming to our address, even the prospect of Bailiffs calling. She did not like it. TW

[TimW]

On 02/06/2019 22:52, Robin wrote: [...]

Absolutely critical. the police, a parking warden, a council, and a private contractor for the Council absolutely can issue parking fines and penalties and you have to pay, might be on the street or in a Council Car Park.

A private Car Park on private land is altogether a different thing and it isn't always easy to tell. Sometimes the retailer rents the unit but the council still runs the car park in front of it, and all the private firms issue 'notices' which look like official parking tickets even when they aren't.

TW

[Steve Walker]

I did think about arguing when I got a fine (council car park), but it was only a tenner and I couldn't be bothered. The sign on the way into the carpark could not be read through without either stopping and blocking the entrance or going and standing in the middle of the entrance (neither a good plan at a theatre when all the patrons are arriving) and the sign at the pedestrian exit seemed to say that it was free - however, there was another (separate) section of sign mounted a foot higher and as it was a dark night and the extra sign was covered by overhanging bushes, I missed it.

SteveW

[Steve Walker]

I've often wondered what happens if my wife visits the local shopping centre (camera controlled) leaves and then realises she's forgotten something and I drive back in her car. The terms say no return within one hour, but the camera will be seeing the same car twice, while neither driver is returning.

SteveW

[Steve Walker]

When my wife worked at North Manchester General, they had reserved spaces for the community mental health nurses, as they needed to come and go at any time and couldn't keep wasting 1/2 hour or more trying to get a space every time they got back. Then she moved to Trafford. A few years later, they moved the department to another office - 90 community staff, all expected to attend the morning meeting at 09:00 and then be in and out all day ... and 6 parking spaces, all permanently occupied by the managers. The idiot that leased that office should have been sacked on the spot!

SteveW

[Clive Arthur]

<snipped>

Got you bang to rights...

Cheers

[Brian Reay]

I don?t think patients/visitors should pay either.

However, that aside, clearly you have no regard for the medical staff who look after you.

[Steve Walker]

:)

[dennis]

They have to in some places or the car park would be full of commuters.

How do you work that out?

[Steve Walker]

That's simple to solve. All it needs is a barrier that requires a token to get out and for the hospital to give out a token, if required, when you attend an appointment or visit a patient.

Simple and cheap to run.

SteveW

[T i m]

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Another interesting scenario and must happen to taxi drivers quite a bit?

Or maybe they don't stop and pay (only drop off) so aren't considered 'returning' as such?

We got 3 PCN's in quick succession for 'Failure to Pay', triggered because we failed to pay for our stay with 15 mins of arriving (but did pay before leaving).

I called them:

Me. Do you have record of me making a complete payment on each occasion. Them. Yes, ok, we will cancel them.

;-)

Whilst we had probably fallen foul of their T&Cs, I think it was suggested that it probably wouldn't have been worth their while to take it any further because we 1) Had paid (in full before leaving) and therefore 2) Hadn't denied them any revenue or taken a space etc.

I guess we had cost them something re sending out the PCN's but setting the need to pay in advance for an indeterminate stay (hospital carpark) was a ridiculous one and not how it works at our 'regular' hospital or shopping centre (where you pay what you owe on exit).

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Of one thing you can be certain. If parking was free, some would abuse it.

[Paulk]

But trivial to ensure that only some can park there for free using rfid.

[tim...]

the fact that it is private land does NOT make it unenforceable

Only the specific facts of the case may make it so

(otherwise NCP would never be able to charge people for parking, their car parks are private land)

tim

[tim...]

I don't think that you need to go near the sign to be expected to know that using someone else's part used car parking ticket is not legitimate, and arguing that you didn't have a chance to see that rule, at this specific location, isn't going to get you anywhere

He took a chance, he lost

tim

[tim...]

The law has been changed to close that "get out" run-around

In the absence of the keeper supplying the company with the name of the driver

the keeper is liable

tim

[tim...]

absolutely WRONG

tim

[dennis]

Do you know how many reasons there are to visit a hospital? Which ones aren't you going to give a token out for? Also its not cheap to run parking restrictions as you would know if you looked at the figures for anyone that does.