OT: There were 900 families in that tower block!

[spuorgelgoog]

Did he inhale?

Owain

[JoeJoe]

No, but clearly got the taste for the locals on his return.

[Nightjar]

Reports are it started as a fridge fire. As originally built, the flats were individual fire compartments and shutting the door on the flat it started in should have contained it for a couple of hours. The focus is on the cladding, because that spread the fire outside of the fire compartments.

[Nightjar]

£1.5 million in counselling for the emergency services. For the victims, some of the money goes towards funeral costs and help with legal costs at the public enquiry.

[dennis]

Its almost irrelevant. Fire happens and we need to control it when it does. There just isn't any possibility of stopping fires starting.

[Roger Mills]

Why doesn't that surprise me?!

[Roger Mills]

The cause of the original fire will obviously need to be established. But the odd fire will occur anyway - and the design of the building is supposed to stop it spreading - but failed miserably in this case.

[Andrew]

Type 2 diabetes does not cause stupidity.

Circulation problems maybe.

If she tried walking instead of claiming £10,000 per year on taxi fares, she might cure it herself.

And I bet it won't stop her going on yet another 'research trip' to Jamaica (with the entire family in tow).

[Andrew]

And how many guaranteed votes for Labour is that ?.

send them to Glasgow.

[Andrew]

It was a hot night. If the kitchen window was open and the fridge went up like a firework, which it would with all that plastic, then thr tenant would not have been able to shut thr window and why would he ?, if it allowed smoke OUT. But it also allowed hot gases out and once the soldered joints in the fridge had melted, out sprayed the equivalent of LPG under pressure.

[Andrew]

During WW2, the emergency services in London were dealing with far worse than this every night and day. And the people just got on with their lives - they didn't mob-rush the town hall in anger.

I bet Theresa is regretting telling Boris to sell his water- cannons.

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

don't see what difference it made whether the window was open or closed .....

[tabbypurr]

But today it's completely avoidable and unnecessary. And no, lots of people didn't just continue as normal.

A lot has changed since the 40s. We can easily afford to provide a basic mi nimum standard of living for all today. It doesn't make sense to not do so. That we are failing to is a shame. I don't need to be a socialist to say t hat.

NT

[Andy Burns]

The fire crew arrived, put out the fridge fire in the 4th floor flat, thought it was job done, and left the building ... only to discover the fire had "escaped" to the outside of the building.

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

also the fire and rescue break or open windows after a fire to vent smoke as a matter of routine ......but if it was a good going fire it would vent itself unless the glass was Pyran .....

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 06:55:46 on Tue, 20 Jun 2017, Andy Burns remarked:

Where has that been reported? It appears to contradict reports claiming firefighters were still attempting to put out the fridge-fire by water through the window, after the witnesses had escaped the building.

[Nightjar]

It was on the TV news last night, along with a fire brigade video taken by the crew leaving the scene.

[Nightjar]

Plenty of people were seriously affected by their experiences and the town hall wasn't responsible for the bombs.

[Bod]

No, but our government was responsible for declaring war against Germany, rightly or wrongly.

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 09:42:48 on Tue, 20 Jun 2017, Nightjar remarked:

What channel was that? I've just fast-forwarded through BBC Ten O'Clock news and that had only a very short comment over footage from later fire crews *arriving*.