Is this medium-term thinking by Nicola Shaw realistic? I don't see it
myself. Might smooth out a few peaks and troughs through the day, but
isn't going to compensate for several days of no wind in mid-January.
On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:07:20 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:
You're baying at the moon. It's far more efficient to dupe the consumer
into buying into demand side management than it is to build more capacity.
By "efficient" I mean "makes more money for snouts in troughs".
Thanks to our poorly -if at all - educated masses, few people - and
certainly no-one you'd listen to - realise that control of access to
energy is ultimately control of *everything*.
With a bit of luck, artificial energy rationing will hasten some really
nasty pandemic, and wipe out 50% of the population. And given the way
things are going, I'm not really fussed which half I end up in.
Given how long it's taken them to not get very far into a smart meter
roll-out, I'd say the chickens will be home to roost sooner than they
can tackle another "smart" project.
Get those coal-fired stations ready to start burning again once the LCPD
no longer applies ...
On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:01:23 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
There's a certain delicious irony that - like water meters - their own
greed has fucked them up the arse.
If they had bit the bullet, and just rolled out smart meters at their own
expense, we'd be at 90% by now.
The problem is they could never sell that to their shareholders.
The whole thing is actually a testament to how the word "investment" is a
dirty word in UK business practices. Well, investing ones own money that
is. we are very good at investing other peoples money.
But they won't be coming any time soon, and they won't stop the
national battery going flat after a day or two of no wind in winter.
Then what? Woollies, candles and a three-day week again, and no
investment into any UK industry because the electricity is so
Absolutely, I wasn't saying that 'smart devices' are a possible
solution to the current problem. I was just pointing out that smart
meters aren't a solution to the problem at all and that the new
minister seemed to be talking about 'smart devices'.
On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 14:03:05 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote:
The purpose of the smart meter is to enable you to be charged more when the
re is a dearth of electricity.
When it's windy/sunny you might get electricity for free.
The purpose of "smart appliances" is to "know" when electricity is cheap.
And to act in accordance with preplanned instructions.
Which will be down to the ownwer.
Eg "When electricity costs more then (say) £0.08/unit, shut down."
Oh dear. Supply and demand. If you can't make enough electricity, put the price up, people will use less. It's so simple a mosquito could understand it.
The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlamp of the oncoming train.
ut the price up, people will use less. It's so simple a mosquito could understand it.
I can't think of much electricity usage in my home which can be used at any time. It needs to be used when I want it. Unless I bought a huge bank of batteries.
Before marriage, a man yearns for the woman he loves. After marriage, the 'Y' becomes silent.
There's very little of my load that I'd want time-shifted to reduce
washer/dryer could usually delay start for a few hours, but wouldn't
want it to decide to stop once a load was underway, and would want a
button to say "start now regardless"
fridge/freezer could cope with intermittent power, provided it was
allowed a reasonable duty cycle.
Beyond that, all other devices I want to be on, or able to be on 24x7;
anything less would be the grid telling me I can't eat, work or relax
when I want to.
And I would not want a dryer to run when I'm not there (they seem to
keep catching fire according to the papers and the Fire Brigade advice
is never run a tumble dryer unattended). So bit of a non starter.
And they use sod all power anyway.
Unless someone has electric heating, which is probably already storage
based, they are on a hiding to nothing with this daft idea.
I was involved in building microprocessor controlled load shedding
systems back in the 1970s, it was called 'maximum demand control' back
then. We sold systems to lots of big electricity consumers such as
Pilkingtons glass, British Rail (electric arc furnaces) and lots of
It wasn't quite 'real time' as the electricity bills were based on the
maximum demand in any one half-hour period. I.e. big industrial
consumers were charged for the units they consumed and an amount which
depended on the largest number of kwh used in any one of the half hour
periods (over a month, I *think*, it was a long time ago). If our
system predicted a large consumption in the current half-hour period
it would do a bit of load-shedding (e.g. turn off a few coils in the
Pilkington annealing ovens).
I was just thinking - you don't need a very smart device to shed load
anyway. Just one that looks for the frequency going below a certain
limit. Only problem is how to give the customer a financial incentive to
use a load of these (if in the form of 13A plug adaptors).
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