OT - more Wndows 10 issues (updates)

I was presented with a Win10 PC that was running like its feet were in clay and it was this that was slowing it up.

Although they say that Updates can't be turned off in the Home version, I bet the Windows Update service is still there and can be merrily disabled. I hold on to this thought for when hardware considerations will force me to shift from Win7.

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Scott M
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Win 10 works okay for me, but I think it requires you to be more careful than most people are, or can be. Mine has recently been complaining about lack of memory, and it turned out the update service had run the committed memory up to 15GB. Easy for me to fix with a service restart, but for anyone else I can think of, just bonkers. I always install the enterprise version, so's I can run a domain, so I generally don't get to see what 'Home' version users have to put up with.

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Dan S. MacAbre

If you read 'The Register' - which I do - the number of people utterly appalled by Windows 10, and the number of people who have reported serious enterprise wrecking behaviours, and the number of rollbacks Microsoft has added so it doesn't do what they originally wanted it to do (but no one else does) exceeds the number of complaints about almost any other issue since America On Line.

It marks a whole new level of corporate contempt for its customers.

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The Natural Philosopher

Do you mean "Pro" or "Enterprise"? Either will allow domain membership, but the latter is only available on a volume licence.

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Andy Burns

Looking at the edition, it says 'Pro'. I used to be an MVP (too many other commitments, now), which means I still have a stack of MS install disks, and I'm used to always just selecting 'Enterprise' whenever I see it.

Reply to
Dan S. MacAbre

This whole thread exemplifies why I never have anything to do with

*any* version of Windows, if I can in any way avoid it.
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Tim Streater

In message , Tim Streater writes

Which is the real tragedy of the whole situation. The world needs a reliable, stable, supported OS that allows and encourages third parties to build, and develop drivers for, their specific hardware. Windows has been close to that in the past and has had the flexibility and huge user base required.

Something like standard notation in music?

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Bill

Not as exciting though. Imagine the fantastic adrenaline rush you get looking at a blue screen. Better than any video game. The heart starts pumping harder, the face goes red. The girl that's been troubling ye for weeks suddenly leaves you alone. Grand. You see the sense in visiting the inn across the road. Even better. The beer is good, and tomorrow is tomorrow where the alternatives might look better.

Cheers!

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Adrian Caspersz

Their problem was that they had a huge legacy of old "stuff" to support. The present controversy about W10 is because they are trying to do exactly what you want, but they need to ditch support for a lot of the old stuff, so they have a coherent platform they can go forward with.

The other issue is that they are trying to to do most of this "for free", and the only way they can do that is to be able to sell directed adverts.

The OP's problem is that the manufacturer of his hardware hasn't updated the drivers.

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GB

It certainly doesn't need Windows with its shitty registry, drive letters, reliance on paths, and unwillingness to let me doing

*anything* with a file just because some application has it open.

I use OS X, but if that ends up going in a shitty direction because of ios, then I could see myself using Linux. I wouldn't willingly touch Windows with a barge pole.

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Tim Streater

I wonder if m$oft knew the next windows was going to be crap so they gave it an even number rather than the more stable odd number OSs they have produced. Though XP still keeps trundling along and no updates - hurray!

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AnthonyL

Which is your call / right / choice of course. ;-)

However, most-of the_rest_of_the_world (including most businesses of all sizes and other organisations and establishments) seem to get on with Windows perfectly ok?

This PC (an Apple Mac Mini) dual boots OSX and Windows (XP of all things, now what, a 14 year old OS) and yet I can't remember the last time I wanted, let alone needed to go into OSX? I still run XP because it still works for most things (and I haven't got round to swapping in the equally quiet Atom based PC I've just built to replace the Mini that's running W7) and ICBA to upgrade that to anything later because of the faf it will be, being on a Mac.

The PC it stands on dual boots Ubuntu and W10 (default W10) and again, outside of some playing and to run the updates and upgrades, (the latter probably screwing some stuff up, as it often does on *any* OS) only gets run at all because the optical drive died on the Mac years ago.

Many of my laptops now run W10, and apart from the cr*p that is W10 that gets in the way of W7, it hasn't been any real issue over the tens of machines I've now upgraded it on for many people.

But the reason the is no real appeal to go to OSX or Linux on my daily desktop (and all my 'work' machines (machines that are used for say vehicle diagnostics or with hardware not supported by OSX or Linux)) is just that, I can't.

So, like it or not, the World is still mostly Windows and while that is still the case it makes *sense* for most people, especially those looking for help from others around them to carry on with Windows.

Now, if like some here you just you your PC as a typewriter, or never need to hook it up with any prosaic hardware and whist nothing goes wrong, there is no reason why you couldn't use any desktop OS or even a tablet of phone for that matter (and of course many do).

What I think is interesting is the overall OS use (on the desktop) doesn't seem to have changed over many years. Linux seems stuck at 5%, OSX at 10% and Windows picking up most of the rest.

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If Windows was really the issue some seem to suggest, wouldn't Linux (that is free of cost, few are interested in any other type of free) and now actually quite good, be running away on the home / desktop by now, especially considering the number of opportunities it's had to do so (W10 being the latest)? We know why few go to Mac (because of the straight cost) and I'm guessing few have still ever heard of Linux. ;-(

If I'm sorting out a (Windows) machine for someone (hardware upgrades, OS reinstall / clean etc) I often (still!) offer to put Linux on there for them dual boot (secondary option) and of those who say 'give it a go', I show them round it so the can see what it is. I think it's only

2 or 3 people who have gone on to use it as their daily desktop but they *all* have to retain Windows (as do many of the anti-Windows hypocrites here) because of those *must have* apps / hardware that simply isn't available to them under Linux (or OSX in fewer cases). One who generally runs Linux on his laptop (as a web terminal) still needs Windows to manage his Garmin GPS and iTunes for his iPod (for example). Another does similar but with some old Accounting program and a game.

I'm just about to deliver an old XP PC to a mate because he likes it for some specific reason (I don't care what as long as I get rid of another surplus PC). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

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T i m

In message , GB writes

I'm not sure this is really the case. I use W2k and XP, neither of which have had support for some time, and I'm very happy with them on the hardware of their generation. What I'm not happy with is that on a machine with W10, I have no support because I've had to switch off all updates. I believe I have more support on the unsupported OS's.

I would pay a sensible fee for a new OS that was good and worked, and most people from now on will be paying a fee when they update their Windows hardware.

No, his problem is that he has allowed the update of his OS, as I have on some machines and that if he invests in updated hardware and W10 at the same time, he can't be sure that the forced OS updates won't break parts of the new hardware.

Rolling enforced OS "upgrades" are totally unacceptable.

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Bill

No I think it was because of Apple they needed a 10 or X to be equal a version of 11 might have looked like roman 2 and would have been confusing.

9 would have been logical and made perfect sense that's why the skipped it. :)
Reply to
whisky-dave

Utter bollocks.

They are not ytry8ing to do what you want. They are trying to do what they want. Use their operating system as part of a worldwide bot and spynet that collects information on what consumers do and targets them with marketing and products they cant afford and dont need.

AS far as supporting old hardware? Forget it. They are not there to save your money! They are there to sell new hardware! Just like Apple.

Dint make me laugh. Microsoft's license fee hasn't vanished.

If you want free code, install linus, Remarkably free of 'targeted adverts.

Exactly. Why should he? all that cost and he doesn't get to sell a new model.

If you want to use old hardware. stay with linux where the drivers are generally NOT written by the manufacturer.

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The Natural Philosopher

This machine is similar vintage, and it all works just fine under W10. Including that I am running an obscure card to give an LPT printer port. OTOH, I have a scanner gathering dust that stopped being supported several generations of windows ago. It's up to the manufacturers to upgrade the drivers - some do and some don't.

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GB

Indeed. Adding to that, I find Windows 10 faster and once you find out where everything is, it works great.

Reply to
Bod

Oh, and the scanner isn't supported under Linux either!

The real question is why haven't I thrown it away? :)

Reply to
GB

I dual boot Win 10 with Linux on one of my laptops. I just go on Linux now and again simply for a change and to get any updates etc. I basically play with Linux :-) I'm amazed how many excellent free programs are available for Linux though.

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Bod

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