Which certainly knocks heart disease and cancer into a cocked hat
At 365,000 + per annum you'd imagine the Govt would mount a publicity campaign or something about this given that the total deaths for England and Wales from all causes was only
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So you wash all your clothes and swab down the bathroom every time as well then ?
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My sister has always been obsessed with cleaning and sterilising things, and keeping the kids from playing in the garden when it's raining, and...and... The kids frequently had sniffles, bugs, etc.
My brother and his wife worked on the principle that a bit of dirt is fine, skin in waterproof...a kind of 'benign neglect' philosophy. Kids were always very healthy.
to the washing process or wash at a high temperature. Personally I would sa y unless you have had something like raw chicken on the items to wash then the washing process really ought to be 'good enough'. After all hand washin g takes place in a bowl full of lukewarm water (it soon cools to an ideal t emperature for bugs to breed in). Hand washing also involves a bug infested dishcloth or sponge.
and is often insanitary
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Wrong! By definition is *always* insanitary. :-)
Commercial laundries use chemicals not available to the public. Really nasty stuff. If we had a leak, it was handled as if it was radioactive.
Also, flat items are dried on a "Calender" (rollers heated with steam). They go in damp and come off dry. Only linen and cotton will stand this treatment. But nothing living can survive.
A lot of the clothing I have is limited, on the label, to 40C; some to 30C, so a higher temperature would risk damaging them. The bedding and some clothes are rated for 60C - that's not high enough to kill the nasties. Now, I can't recall the exact temperature, but ISTR that the water samples I used to test for bacteria were incubated at somewhere close to 40C as being the ideal temperature for the bacteria to multiply. This seem to make 40C the worst temperature: doesn't kill and does encourage bacteria whilst using significant energy(1). At 30C, it's about the same as the clothes would be when worn as a single layer, so no change; at 20C, if the detergent does work well(2), the energy is much less than at 40C (obviuosly) and the bugs will be "out of their comfort zone" (sorry).
(1) Sadly, I log the energy per wash. The difference between 30C and 40C, with the smae loading and close in time so that the incoming water will be about the same, is around 35%.
(2) In Asda t'other day (sorry again - looking at LED lamps, honest) the own-brand non-bio powder boasted of being suitable for 15C. A recent wash at
20C used about 30% of the energy of a 30C one, although I didn't see the current go up to indicate the heaters being on, but I might have missed it.
Of course not. But I don't waste money on anti-bacterial sprays for work surfaces either, which according to TV advertising are essential.
The washing cycle is not just water. There is also the process of thoroughly drying. Irrespective of how hot the wash if damp clothes are left in a pile they will start to 'smell' within a very short period as organisms in the air find a new home.
I assume that detergent is not added to the 40C water when growing bacteria and it isn't followed by a spin/rinse cycle
15C washing detergent has been on sale in UK supermarkets for a decade or more and I believe in the USA for a lot longer. Often as 'own brand' and often a half the price (or lower) than some of the widely advertised branded offerings.
I recall an article that said the most common antibacterial component in these sprays and washing up liquids was quite harmful to us as well.
So one minute you're emphasising the fact that such bugs get scattered around during "that operation". And the next minute you're admitting that they're not worth bothering about.
The interesting thing about those ads is how much "stuff" the actors, both adults and kids manage to spill all over their "surfaces". Maybe they'd all be better off with bibs, sitting in high chairs.
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You really need to follow the thread to get all comments in context.
On 17 Jul 2015, David grunted:
Ours has three settings - 55C 'standard'; 65C 'standard' and 65C 'for really, really dirty pans'. When I switch it on, I use the 55C every time; SWMBO[1] goes for the top-end 65C one. The results of both washes are of course completely indistinguishable, but she won't have it. Nearly drives me insane; probably the biggest single cause of marital disharmony in our house!
[1] Of course everyone knows that no women know how to load a dishwasher properly anyway; but that's a whole different discussion...
Unless you have the surfaces checked for buggliwigs, you aren't really going to know.
In ours she loads the crocks and I load the cuttles. Same is true for unloading so we're both happy.
She also stacks clean stuff on top of whatever's in the cupboard, I put the clean ones at the bottom of the stack to even out wear. In fact it doesn't matter that she doesn't, as wear is still evened out.
And if you do, you're probably eligible to appear on the next season of 'Obsessive Compulsive Cleaners'
The cause of a number of "free and frank exchanges of views" in our house.
You do because the temperature difference isn't about bugs, its about cleaning the remains of the food off what's in the dishwasher.
On 18 Jul 2015, Tim Streater grunted:
Ah, but handles up or down?
I put everything handles down so the business ends get cleaned, except for sharp stuff like kitchen knives, obviously. She puts everything handles up FFS. "But someone might fall over and get impaled on a spoon!"
Christ, someone who's actually more anally retentive than me! :)
The wrong way is "carelessly" so that the plastic milk bottle biffs on the edge of the slot in the door where you put bottles (it has a sharp plastic edge). This causes a small hole in the milk bottle and the bottom of the fridge to be noticeably full of milk the next time we look.
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