OT: Inventive solutions to telephone spam?



It must get to a stage where any organisation that withholds a number will not be able to get through to a significant number of people (customers) who associate withheld numbers with those who junk call us.
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"Toby" wrote | Lee wrote: | > I don't see why people/companies/agencies can't use | > presentation numbers, if anonymity is so important. | Trouble is they have to be geographic numbers connected | with the outbound trunk.
That's the point of a /presentation/ number - it's NOT necessarily connected with the outbound trunk.
| Organisations prefer 0870, 0845 etc. due to the revenue/flexibility | benefits.
Both of which can be used as presentation numbers, provided the number is owned by the person wishing to use it as such.
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Not true.

Any of these numbers can be and have been seen presented here.
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Some of the companies get around the barred no IDs by presenting a phone number that they never answer if somebody rings it!
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:12:03 GMT, BigWallop wrote:

That may have some nasty side effects. Like a hospital where your SO or child is laying prostrate after loosing an argument with a bus not being able to get through...
The hospital don't want to release the number so the line doesn't get clogged up by plonkers ringing in on how to deal with the common cold.
Having said that the only calls that we regulary get as "withheld" are from a company calling to offer me work, the local hospital and surgery present their public number.
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On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 22:17:07 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

Miss as in ignore the ring phone or let the TAM take it?

Not "miss" as in you have anonymous call barring in place, 'cause they can't ring you back succesfully...
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An urban legend promoted by the telcos that object to the loss of revenue. There is always a way for them to get round ACR if they want / need to.

Quite.
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:42:22 +0100, Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:

An urban legend that definately had some roots in the real world.

Why should a busy A&E department have to jump through hoops to contact the next of kin? It just reflects how badly thought through the implications of CLID and ACR that followed were.
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Yep, I agree. Why does the National Health service employ so many managers incapable of organising the release of the calling phone number on their switch-boards? The phone number of a hospital doesn't have to be kept secret!
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:40:32 +0100, Alan wrote:

True enough but the phone number of a DEL in A&E does or even the DDI number of a PABX extension.
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Actual number can be kept private with a PN. Some PNs are answered by a machine saying "You were called by [whoever]. We will call again if we need to speak to you.".
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Why should the victims of phone spam have to keep their defences inadequate because an NHS pen pusher isn't bright enough to get a presentation number setup on the PABX?
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What makes you think the pen pusher has any input whatsoever to the telecomms system in use ?
We have a PABX in our place, but it isn`t possible to get that to give out a presentation number unless they spend _money_ upgrading the exchange - believe me, i`ve asked and pushed for it, and eventually got an answer.
Perhaps patient care should take second place to upgrading perfectly functional systems, just so the few who want witheld number barring can get calls.
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So no-one is responsible for telephone purchase and operation in a NHS hospital? This suggests yet again that the management of the NHS don't actually know what they are doing. Aren't there more managers than beds, nurses, doctors and people providing the real service?

You obviously believe that withholding a telephone number is a serious problem for your organisation but it is YOUR problem and NOT the customer's problem. I guess that the system was bought by incompetent managers who didn't understand what they were buying. Are these managers still employed at a higher grade?
What ever the problems in your organisation, a hospital is a public service that costs tax payers million per year to operate. A hospital telephone number should never be kept secret. Perhaps the A&E department doesn't welcome return calls at busy times but it doesn't prevent the hospital giving out a main number so that the call is not blocked by a large number of people who already associate 'number withheld' with spam.

It's not just a _few_ people who now regard organisations that withhold telephone numbers spamming scum!
A company or organisation that says it provides a service should not be blaming customers for deficiencies in the service it provides.
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:04:22 +0100, Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:

The TPS appears to work fairly effectively from the reports here.

Always assuming that the phone used is going through the PABX.
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Irrelevant really. PNs can go onto a normal line.
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A significant number are Unavailable, which is not blocked by anonymous call rejection.
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Recently I'm getting 5 to 10 calls a day that are identified as International. I'm not sure that these would be blocked nor would they be stopped by the TPS or any other British organisation.
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Before we registered with TPS we were getting Double glazing calls at least once a week .. now hardly anything for months?
To any that do get though I tell them I'm a bit busy and can I have their home number so I can ring them back in the evening.
They say 'Oh we can't do that'
I ask "Why not"
They say ' Well we would get calls at home in the evening when we were having our tea ... ah ... " ;-)
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