And you would think that if any of this (buying government support and
Brexit) were so cut_and_dry to really be the best thing for all of us,
it wouldn't be dividing the country as it seems to be and we wouldn't
have so many people fighting / questioning every single step and
action along the way.
And that's just the realism of even starting to think that a lead of
4% actually truly represents 'the people speaking'. It (obviously)
isn't 'the people' (by a long way), it's just 4% of those people who
actually responded to the poll on that particular day (as we have seen
with such a massive swing in the result of the recent snap election).
So, if we 'the people' are supposed to be voting on our own futures
with such things, I wonder how the Leave / Remain poll might have
panned out if we had said 'the best of three', before, during at the
end of any 'negotiations'.
It's more like someone started a scam with Chinese whispers, got the
result of the poll they wanted and then stuck their fingers in their
ears when 'the people' actually realised what had happened.
The Brexit (or not) result should, like 'alternative energy', be able
to stand on it's own two feet, *IF* it really is the best solution for
You shouldn't really need to bribe or subsidise a good idea ...
Cheers, T i m
I don't think anybody thinks that Brexit is clearly the best thing for
everybody. In fact, it's quite clear that a lot of people think it
It is simply that more people want it than oppose it. So that's what
we're going to do.
The people who didn't respond don't count.
But we didn't, and one of the rules of the game is that you don't change
the rules after the game.
Possibly not. Another reason why our democracy is broken where people
can vote selfishly and cut their noses off to spite their face.
Quite, just under half of those who voted at that particular poll.
But you say that like you think that doing so is (therefore) a
reasonable thing to do? Even Farage knew it wasn't on that tiny margin
as he was demanding at least 2/3rd majority before he'd accept it
(till it went his way of course).
Or the system is broken so some people, potentially people not willing
to be forced at answer an unanswerable question , weren't counted
directly. A lack of votes ... or the quantity of (purposely) spoiled
papers *should* be considered and would in most systems *really*
looking to consider the will of any group of people.
Rules are made to be broken, especially when they don't really appear
to work. The mere fact you are trying to defend such an inconsiderate
and poorly considered outcome as being truly reflective of the will of
'the people' shows how desperate your 'cause' is at any cost.
As answered elsewhere (FIT etc) plus cash for votes and the DUP.
There have been instances of what were considered basically good ideas
(poll tax?) that were reversed because 'the people' protested
sufficiently (mums going to prison for non payment etc). Similar could
happen with Brexit when 'the people' actually find out how it's going
to impact them and the promises are only magic beans.
*IF* the result of the bogus (then and now) Brexit poll went 2/3rds
one way or the other, I think more of 'the people' would accept it
better represented 'the people', certainly better than a near 50:50
Cheers, T i m
No claim, fact (something you and your fellow fanatics seem pretty
short on (not that you would recognise one if handed to you on a
plate, apparently <g>)), in exactly the same way I'm not a leaver
Are you really so slow that you still don't get how someone wanting to
make the right choice for the majority of the population, couldn't do
it when we were *polled* re Leave or Remain and (FWIW), couldn't do
any different now / yet (if an ordinary person ever could etc)?
You on the other hand either know all the answers (unlikely given few
people, even those in power don't), or you have some *personal opinion
/ crusade / fantasy*, possibly based on some bogus cause you were fed,
believed and now are blindly latched onto?
How you think it's ok to carry on with the same bs when most of what
you voted for has already changed, is highly unlikely to happen or if
it does, be a highly diluted version I don't know (and unlike you and
many of your kind, I (and many other Remainers) admit that (that being
Remember, the Remainers didn't want to change the status quo so it's
up to those who did to persuade the others why doing so is such a
dead-cert good idea. If you can't, it might be a good idea for you to
run and hide somewhere safe (not from me, I didn't vote either way
remember), just in case it doesn't go as you 'hope'.
Now, see if you can work out in what I've just where I have stated
that voting either Leave or Remain to be the right thing?
Cheers, T i m
People voting selfishly (if they so choose) is the whole point of
Who do you think has cut off their nose to spite their face? People who
voted for Brexit did so because they think it will be *good* for them or
their families. As you tacitly admit above when you talk about
Yes, just *under* half.
Of course. You have a referendum to choose between two options, the
result comes in, you do what it says. That was what the PM said would
happen when they announced the referendum. What else could you do
Actually I think you've just made that up, but anyway I don't GAF what
What was unanswerable about the question? It could not have been any
plainer. I didn't hear any Remainers complaining about the question
It never is or could be in any election or referendum of any kind held
anywhere, for obvious reasons.
I see. But only when they don't deliver the result you wanted?
Would you have said "Rules were made to be broken" after a Remain win in
the referendum? No.
Of course they worked. In what way did they not work? They didn't give
the result you wanted?
That's not bribing or subsidising the Brexit result. It's to do with
keeping the government in power.
Anything *could* happen.
So you'd be happy with a second referendum that would only stop Brexit
if Remain got a two-thirds majority?
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