Sorry, you'll need that long pipe. Soakaways are for rain water: they're
a "holding area" for rain while it's seeping into the surrounding ground.
Filling up the gravel it was built with with congealed grease left behind
when the detergent and hot water have cooled right down is *not* what
you want to do. Maybe you can route the long pipe round the outside of
the house, rather than the presumably more hassly indoor route? Or put
the woshdosh closer to the sink? (You don't have to construct a completely
separate run to the main sewer: there are lots of fittings around for
plumbing d-w and washing-machine wastes into an existing sink waste, though
you do need to watch for siphoning or backing up if you fix things up too
Fairy neuf, Huge; what I wrote was shorthand for "in the average
(sub)urban house, the soakaway is sized and built only for clean
rainwater". But my postings are typically prolix enough without
putting all of the maybes, possibles, and outlier caveats...
Yes. Highly deprecated, and, over a period of time, leads to blocked
drains. If you ever do any alterations your building inspector will want
There are now very strict rules about dispoasal of 'fould water' and
bunging it into the water table is not on.
I suspect Huge was referring to "grey water". He has a digester for the,
err, other stuff (if you've been around long enough to spot the occasional
post on dropping pump parts therein).
A drain guy working next door observed to me that one of my rainwater
gutters was draining into the same gully as the kitchen and bathroom sinks.
I politely suggested he neb off when he said I should do something about it.
We don't have soakaways, nor separated main drains (if the presence of just
the one inspection facility is anything to go by), so does it really matter
exactly where the non-foul water meets ?
In my case, I think it was the addition of a conservatory along the back of
the house that prompted the previous owners to move some of the down pipes,
resulting in a mix of rain and grey water in one gully. But I know from dye
tests that *everything* ends up in the same drain eventually. I doubt they
separated anything by design in the early 1900s.
Note that I never said 'it wasn't done' merely that current
envioprnmental thinking has it as a Bad Idea for reasons outlined in the
And teh OP wa commenting on sink waste to a soakaway, not rainwater to
the main sewage system.
Obviopusly not, BUT the modern practice - and I am limited to Building
rtegs guidelines - is a local uthority issue, and is more or less as
(i) Peak flows from rainwater are extremely high.
(ii) Sewage treatment is pretty much mandatory - no one chucks shit in
(iii) therefore it is important to separate rainwater from foul water of
all sorts, in order not to overload sewers and treatment plants.
(iv) the classical way to do this is to run rainwater vua a separate
system that dumps nto river systemnms directly (ditches and drains) or
indirectly (via soakaways that store peak flow and allow it to percolate
into teh subsoil over a longer period).
(v) Soakaways are prone over time to clogging with silt and decaying
organic materials, and are not hugely effective especially in clay
soils, hence the modern insistence on soakaway tanks that settle solids
and may be cleaned. The traditional 'dig a big pit, chuck in hardcore
and gravel, cover with a plsatic sheet and heap earth on top' approach
will be rejected by most building inspectors these days - certainly
round here on clay soil.
(vi) Soakways may result in deleterios subsoil movements and localised
wet spots, and are supposed to be at least 5m away from foundations as a
Therefor the big danger of using a soakway for e.g. kichen waste
outflows is that the hgh level of organic matrial eventually clogs them.
My in-laws in fact have I suspect just such a problem. A (relatively 15 years old) modern kitchen extension gully does not in fact feed the
septic tank, but a soakaway that is totally blocked. The kitchen waste
water spills out over the lawn and stinks.
This may well not be legally WRONG, certainly for the times in which
that drain was installed, but in practice, its not so pretty.
I would strongly recommend that in all cases kitchen wastes be plumbed
into the foul sewage circuit. At least these are designed to be cleaned
in blocakages occur. What you do with rainwater is open to discussion -
extenseive use of fast acting runoff sewers is part of the problem of
recent flooding. Soggy gardens are now traded for flooded houses further
down the flood plains.
If you put the wishdosher next to the washing machine, you can stick
the exit pipe into the soap drawer, so each time you wash the dishes
you can also wash the clothes with the same hot water and detergent,
and save on rinse water too :)
I wonder if there's anything one actually could clean that way? Welly
boots, plant pots...?
On 28 Sep 2003 15:59:18 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org (N. Thornton) wrote:
You should submit this to Heloise. www.heloise.com
I had never heard of this before until last week when a brochure
appeared in a magazine advertising a book. Apparently it has been
going in the U.S. for donkey's years. Most of the tips are
submitted by readers and a lot are downright dodgy or hilarious.
There are some that are just plain wrong. For example, there is one
about fizzy pop in plastic bottles which suggests that it can be kept
longer and in a decent and fizzy state by squeezing the air out of
the bottle. For a start, every parent knows that fizzy pop doesn't
last five minutes anyway and moreover, the CO2 will come out of
solution to fill the space because the pressure above the liquid will
have been reduced.
The brochure is now in the cloakroom for edifying reading while using
To email, substitute .nospam with .gl
Only if the bottle is allowed to try and reach it's original shape. If you
squeeze the air out and keep the bottle deformed somehow then it will keep
(From http://www.newscientist.com/lastword/article.jsp?id=lw833 )
"N. Thornton" wrote
| If you put the wishdosher next to the washing machine, you can stick
| the exit pipe into the soap drawer, so each time you wash the dishes
| you can also wash the clothes with the same hot water and detergent,
| and save on rinse water too :)
| I wonder if there's anything one actually could clean that way? Welly
| boots, plant pots...?
Presumably anything one doesn't mind smelling of the minted hollandaise
sauce washed off the plates after breakfasttime Eggs Benedict Gordon Ramsay.
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