Oh dear. How sad. Never mind

You missed the important bit :-

"It is proposed that only heat pump households that agree to become part of the system will be included. In return they will be offered discount tariffs."

I can't see anyone agreeing to this....

Dave

At first.

Was it not obvious that the whole point of making homes all-electric, with 'smart' meters, was to allow the government complete control of energy use per individual household? It can't be (safely) done with gas, even in the old coin-in-a-slot meter days, the gas was never cut off completely when the money ran out.

And don't use the 'C' word. The conspiracy theorists (a term invented by the CIA after the JFK murder) are almost invariably correct.

Wait until someone makes him chancellor, then the proverbial will really hit the fan!

You don't need to with gas do you?

I still don't see how they can "turn heat pumps down". Unlike Storage Heaters the don't have to be separately metered or internet connected. The just require a dedicated circuit.

I think its just stupidity, bad planning and perhaps planning rules.

Dave

I've already done this. The house is full of concrete, so can maintain its temperature for several hours. I've previously done the 'saving sessions' where you get paid not to use electricity in the winter. I can bump up the temperature a couple of degrees ahead of the saving session, then turn off the heating during the hours of the session, and then turn it back on afterwards.

My heat pump is not online, but I had Home Assistant retrieve the saving session information from the Octopus API and it can program the temperatures via Modbus. I didn't actually get around to setting that up (HA is a PITA to program logic in, the most recent winter of saving sessions became much less worthwhile, and I'm no longer with Octopus) but if it was a standard feature with a financial benefit then I don't see why I wouldn't use it. I can always override the temperature control if I wanted to - I haven't seen the details of this proposal but I assume that would always be the case.

Theo

I read that, since April, new installations have had to be internet-connected. Of course, you could pull the plug...

In message <113jh1j$h2j1$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, at 22:53:54 on Sun, 19 Jul

Like car chargers already are, it will be necessary for them to *be* Internet connected.

In message <113jkj6$on9f$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, at 23:54:30 on Sun, 19 Jul

Which will turn the heat pump off. Is that what you wanted?

In message <tmr* snipped-for-privacy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 23:18:11 on Sun,

I heard about that project, but was never contacted to see if I wanted to participate.

I think you've just re-invented storage heaters!

Maybe you may have to agree to get a £7500 grant.

No, the LAN plug. Disconnect it while the unit is running, so it can't be told to shut off. If controlled by Wifi, maybe build a Faraday cage around it.

When we lived in Michigan, the A/C's fusebox had a radio-controlled switch by which it could be de-activated remotely in times of high demand. As far as we know, it was never used.

One would need to work out whether the savings would pay for running the fan heaters needed to keep the place warm, once the heat pump was turned off to save electricity.

Was this a Millibrain idea?

yes, of course. I really do get fed up of the lack of joined up thinking and the desire to "save money" when the costs of "saving money" well exceed the amount saved...

Dave

"Economy is our byword, and we shall pursue it at all costs."

so it will become mandatory, instead...

probably.

In message <113kl65$11cm2$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, at 09:10:45 on Mon, 20 Jul

Unless the unit cuts off all by itself as soon as it sees the "lack of Internet connectivity".

ditto.

Different country, different scheme.