Often worth a quick look. ;-)

Funnily enough I'm not a kicker .. possibly as it's me that would have to get the dents out. ;-(

Sorry ... right, off to buy some new stuff to replace the current perfectly functional stuff then (ok?). ;-)

T i m

Apart from Dyson owning all the patents then?

Andy

Dyson own some patents, but not enough to prevent several other manufacturers from producing bagless vacuum cleaners.

Perhaps Miele does not want to produce bagless vacuum cleaners.

They have tried a Sebo and can't wait for the dyson to die.

I thought that before I bought a Sebo, I ended up using two bags a year so the pack of ten I bought are still going. They hold a lot more than the dyson dirt compartment, probably more than a hundred times as much. The drawback is they can weigh a few kilos when full.

Do they not do re-usable fabric ones like VAX do?

MBQ

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That seems to me to be a non sequitur.

Good filtration is an important point. But not to the exclusion of all others. It's more important where fine dust is a major problem.

And why should kapok be deemed representative of animal hair? I've never had to vacuum up kapok in my life. And for that matter we've never had any pets indoors. I'd go for the ShopVac if for some reason I can't at present envisage I were going to vacuum up kapok.

I've no idea :-)

My experience is that in terms of our usage filters need replacing very much less frequently than bags. And with either, the performance of aftermarket products may be very different from that of the approved version.

I've no idea about what they say in adverts -- I don't have a TV.

Of course it happens. Happened with a Sunbeam cleaner I once owned. Bags can be adapted and there are various patterns of "universal" bags available. But it is an issue.

Miele have a design which works. It also keeps the customers hooked on buying bags which are very profitable.

Yes, I reckon that's been historically true. And probably currently true as far as true HEPA standard performance (as opposed to HEPA standard filters) is concerned.

There are Dysons and Dysons. And there are plenty of other bagless models. Can't say that it's been a problem here.

John