We live in an Edwardian 3 bed semi-detached house in West London. The
house we're attached to is owned by a landlord and new tenants moved
in over the weekend.
The first thing they did was fit a satellite dish at the rear of the
house in a very obtrusive position.
They are Polish so I presume it is to pick up Polish TV.
All the houses are the same design, 2 storey with a single storey
section at the back which contains the kitchen. The kitchens have a
chimney stack about 2 feet high to which they have attached a pole
about 5 feet high with a fairly standard looking size satellite dish.
They've then run serveral heavy duty cables along the roof and in
through the kitchen window frame where they've drilled a hole. The
satellite dish, pole and cables stand out even more starkly because
they are all white and the tiles are black.
Bearing in mind that I don't want to get off on the wrong foot with
these people what is the law in this area (which in fairness they may
be totally unaware of) ?
Admittedly, it's not a good thing to have done and they could have shown
more consideration for both their neighbours and their surroundings, but
FFS, it's a satellite dish not a 14-foot wall. And according to your subject
heading you can only see it from your kitchen window, not your living room.
Live with it. If that's all you have to worry about in this present
financial climate I'll gladly swap houses with you and I'll look at the
try and be friendly with them? ask them if they had considered a black dish
to blend in with the tiles? or would they paint it black to blend in, could
even get creative and paint it in a tile pattern to really hide it.
a long as the paint used is not a metalic, it'll be fine, and quite a few
people paint their dishes to make them personal, tho usually big diasys or
picaso colours to make them stand out.
If they tell you where to go, then it's time to see if the landlord has owt
to say about the holes in the window, and if he knows about laws regarding
the dishes on his house.
if all that fails, then it's time for a pin through the cables, bounce a
football off it to knock it off line etc :)
Our neighbours have recently applied for permission to erect a 3.7m rear
extension varying in height from 4m to 3m just 1m from our side
boundary. It will block out the late afternoon sun from out dining room
and kitchen and wreck our view in a semi-rural location. Because the
land drops away a proposed window will look over the 6ft fence straight
on to our whole garden. It will also have views into our currently
unoverlooked kitchen and dining room.
Planning office can see no problem with this but when pressed suggested
they might apply a condition that the window in question is glazed with
The neighbours have previously caused damage to our property for which
they are unrepentant.
We have put in an objection and will see what happens.
I can see a mature laurel hedge suddenly appearing along that boundary.
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Planning has got very lax now, but there used to be a '45 degree rule',
where anything that you were proposing building, must be designed in such a
way that it did not fall within a 45 degree 'fan' drawn from any window on
an adjacent property. I had to comply with this, when I put in for planning
on my conservatory, and it was all detailed how to make sure of this, on the
planning guides that the local authority gave me. There also used to be
strict rules on the volume of any extension, compared to the volume of the
main house - especially if any extension work had already been done, which
would have eaten into the 'free gratis' allowance - and I think it also
depended on the type of house. Again, this is part of the reason that my
conservatory needed planning permission, as all of my free allowance had
been used up previously with a side extension. Probably not valid any more,
but might be worth looking into.
The view of the sky and some trees, even the chimney stack itself in
old yellow stock bricks was easy on the eye.
I'm not against satellite dishes per se, I'm sure if I could afford it
I'd probably have a sky dish myself.
If the dish was tucked away neatly on the roof of the main building I
wouldn't even notice it. Even if it was kept at the same level as the
chimney stack and perhaps painted a neutral colour it would be more
The link <http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/england/genpub/en/
1115315206517.html> does seem to imply it should be at the same level
as the chimney stack so it probably is illegal in that respect.
In answer to somebody elses question, it's only been fitted yesterday,
Oct 13, and I'm sure planning permission hasn't been sought as the
tenants only moved in the day before. I doubt the landlord has even
It's possible to buy nearly transparent dishes from places like
satellitesuperstore.co.uk. When mounted against a wall they are much
less obtrusive. Might be worth having a word with the neighbours about
it. Why not share the cost and get a twin or quad LNB fitted so you can
use it as well? That is if they are aimed at a satellite you want to
watch! Even where I live, in a conservation area, satellites up to 1
metre are OK but you are supposed to put them below the eaves line where
Do they need it so high? Maybe they do to see over some nearby
obstruction, but if they don't maybe yo could suggest that they put it
lower down. There seems to be an idea that sat' dishes need to be high
up, possibly an impression left over from terrestrial aerials often
needing to be on chimneys,as the sat' is in orbit then the extra few
feet is not going to make any difference and they work perfectly well at
ground level, providing they can see the area of sky that they need to.
A dish, large or not, on a chimney is going to put a lot of stress on
the brickwork, wind loading, would you rather look at the dish or the
chimney spread over the back garden.
Have you had a chat with them yet about it?
Could well worth while.
It's actually fairly rare to have to put a satellite dish on any kind of
pole, unless the view of the sky to the south, is badly obscured by
buildings or trees from the position at which the dish is located. Unlike
with a UHF TV aerial, where additional height may be required to cope with
local or distant obstructions, this is not the case with satellite. In fact,
it is preferred for the dish to have as rigid a mount as possible, as the
beamwidth of the dish is extremely narrow, and for a stable signal, the last
thing that you need is the dish flapping about.
Bear in mind also that even mesh mini dishes still represent a significant
wind loading, and if it is on a pole 5 feet long, this will generate a
significant turning moment at the attachment point to the chimney, under
even moderate breeze conditions, so there could be a safety angle to
consider here. I seem to recall reading something somewhere, that most
(all?) local authorities have rules regarding the placement of satellite
dishes, and that strictly speaking, many installations, including the
'normal' wall mount, actually breach these regulations.
Take a look at whether the dish would have a clear view of the sky in the
direction it's pointing, from any other location on the house, and if so,
you may have grounds for complaint on a safety angle, if nothing else. Look
where other people have got their dishes installed. When doing this, bear in
mind that it will be an 'offset' dish, which means that the viewing angle is
governed by the reverse angle that the LNB arm forms to the face of the
dish, such that the dish points almost forward in a normal installation.
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