Because it was a quiz and I was having a go? Why only ask me rather than all the others who also just gave it their best shot?
You knew the answerers already obviously as you had it in front of you.
HTH?
Cheers, T i m
Well I have been totally honest about the cut out and what I know about it. It's a half done job with a fired electrical contractor.
Now if an electrical installation certificate had a box to give marks out of 10 for artistic merit........
I have not commented on them as the main thing wrong with them is a lack of over sleeving.
They are standard colours.
I am not having a go at you.
NY is still posting bollocks about cable colours.
Owain spotted the big one straight away
And yes it was just posted for fun and educational purposes.
"If you don't know what a lamp post cut out is why did you post?"
;-)
He's a knowledgeable guy. ;-)
And so it worked ... and I think I got most of the points that were visible from the picture. What did I win? ;-)
Cheers, T i m
A minor error you didn't mention is that the 'electrician' didn't have big enough green/yellow sleeving, and had to strip a length of the black wire to get sleeving on the one he did do.
TBH everyone but Brian can see that.
I spotted there should be a fuse, even if I had no idea where it fiited. I at least knew it should be between the live feed and flex.
A ticket to join Nigel's march.
The alternative interpretation is that he thought his way of doing it was better than overall sleeving, in which case I disagree. I don't thing uninsulated protective conductors are good idea anyway, though I suppose they save huge amounts of wiring bulk.
Why is what I said about cable colours "bollocks"? There are standard IEC
60446 wire colours (eg described inIf it is bollocks to comment on non-standard-compliant wiring colours, can you explain why? I'm well aware of the potential confusion between black being used for pre-2004 neutral versus black being used for current IEC phase live (L2), but I've never heard of black being used for earth.
And the fuse was actually fitted! It just served as much use as Johnny Machine in the Vatican.
Although thinking about that they don't need one in the Vatican as choir boys cannot get pregnant.
Prince Philips might have blamed an Indian electrician.
The Duke of Edinburgh apologised yesterday after the Indian community became the latest group to be offended by one of his ill-judged, off-the-cuff remarks.
During a walkabout at an Edinburgh electronics factory, Prince Philip remarked that a fusebox bursting with wires looked "as if it was put in by an Indian". His remark prompted immediate condemnation.
What is it with you remainers, at any sign of a lost argument you start spouting abuse.
It is normal to use 3 phase colours on a single phase supply and over sleeve the cores when using SWA or 3 core and earth cable.
Look at it another way. In a domestic situation the 3 core and earth can perform several functions.
It can be used to provide 2 way lighting. Not all cores need to be live cores, although they often are.
It can supply the feed to a timed bathroom fan. And so one core is going to be a neutral.
As for
There really is some bollocks in that.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:39:13 +0000 (GMT+00:00), "Jim K.." snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote: <snip>
How confusing it must be for you left brainers, having to share the world with right brainers?
Adams quiz wasn't a yes / no poll, it required observation of the tangible and a decision to then be made *from* that (assuming no prior experience etc).
And just like the facts that *still* aren't available re our possible future out of the EU, 'sensible people' can't make decisions on things that aren't measurable.
All you can do under those circumstances is 'speculate / gamble' or at best make an 'educated guess'.
Cheers, T i m
There are plenty spare! ;-)
Cheers, T i m
Ah, I hadn't realised that the standard had exemptions that allowed non-standard colours to be used providing they were over-sleeved. I thought IEC mandated the use of the correct cable for the application (ie single-phase colours for single-phase wiring and 3-phase+neutral colours for
3-phase wiring). Is there any convention for colours/sleeves for permanent live versus switched live in the wires to a light switch, to distinguish the cable coming from the "fuse box" from the cable to the lampholder? And what about the colours for the two switched lives between a pair of two-way switches?I've come across a fair number of two-way switches, used as one-way, where the permanent live goes to one of the two L1/L2 terminals and the appliance live is connected to the common live terminal (ie the one that is connected by the switch either to L1 or L2). Fine, but I'd have put permanent live on common and appliance on either of L1 or L2.
When I was changing my central heating controller from a bog-standard timer to a Hive, I found that the heating engineer who had installed the boiler had used cable that had two cores of the same or very similar colour (either both black or else black plus very dark grey) for the switched CH and switched HW wires from the controller to the boiler. I labelled the wires with little sellotape tags as I unwired them from the old backing plate, so I'd be able to connect them to the correct terminals on the new (Hive) backing plate. But I'd forgotten that I'd have to pull the cable through a tight cutout in the old backing box - which ripped off all my little tags :-( Luckily the only ambiguous wires were two that performed the same function in different circumstances (HW versus CH) so the impact of connecting them the wrong way round (50% chance of doing so) was minimal. Inevitably I did get them the wrong way round to begin with, but it only took a couple of minutes to establish that when I press the "HW on" manual override, the radiators got warm, so I just exchanged the wires.
When I was later removing the Hive to reinstall the standard controller when we moved house, I put a dab of Typpex on one of the two identical wires and wrote "black=CH, black+spot=HW" on a piece of paper which I put into the backing box for the benefit of anyone else.
I'd have used cable that had wires which were all very different colours that didn't require sleeving to disambiguate them: black versus dark grey is asking for confusion. Three-phase cable wouldn't have had that problem because all the wires are different colours.
What is it with you left brainers that means you can't take an observation without getting all offended over it?
Like / understand / believe it or not, different people are different and that's not good or bad but different.
So, if you happen to be a fast runner it would be quite reasonable for you to say you were faster than people who were slow runners. However, a slow runner might be better at say a marathon than someone who excels at a sprint.
You left brainers are sprinters, you come to your decisions very quickly because your thought processes aren't bogged down whilst you also consider 'other factors' (scientifically proven).
You voted Leave because of your own particular parameters. You had no idea if they would happen nor how it would affect us (possibly for the worse) if it did.
I couldn't vote either way because I wasn't willing to gamble with other peoples lives because we didn't have enough information (and I didn't already have an agenda, as would a racist or Little Englander) and had to go on the information available at the time alone.
HTH (but I doubt it will as you are so blinkered). ;-(
Cheers, T i m
I take it you've never been to India.
The quality of work in India is utterly appalling. It gives 'make do' a very good name.
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