Knives.

See this failing government want to have knives bought on line collected in person. Presumably to prevent kids buying them.
How does a kid buy things online? Or rather pay for them?
Or is this just another knee jerk reaction to a serious problem?
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On 18/07/2017 10:40, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I find it hard to believe that a person who claims knowledge of such a vast range of subjects can have failed to see - or find online in a matter of minutes - ways a person under 18 can buy knives online so I can only think you were casting around for an excuse to make yet another OT, political, gratuitously insulting, and boring post.
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Spot on. Dave's jerking knee bigotry ("Tories Bad, Labour Good") is, as you say, OT, gratuitously insulting, boring and generally wrong. And no "OT" in the Subject so we can killfile them. (Dave's already killfiled here).
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So just why are you wasting your time replying to such a topic if you consider it OT?
Apart from never missing the opportunity to make a political point, of course.
But it is good to see just how easily the right wingers on here can be baited. They don't bother answering a valid point - just jump to defend their beliefs.
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On 18/07/2017 14:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Who defended what beliefs?
And I still don't see why you didn't just do some research - eg read The Guardian on the subject - before displaying your ignorance as well as your prejudice.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/15/amazon-knives-age-checks-bailey-gwynne
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/31/scottish-ministers-call-for-uk-wide-clampdown-on-online-knife-sales
So do you reckon that Scottish Ministers were guilty of knee jerk reactions? Or are you willing to admit you went off half-cocked?
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/15/amazon-knives-age-checks-bailey-gwynne
Ah - right. So some extra poorly thought out legislation will prevent a company doing something which was illegal before anyway?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/31/scottish-ministers-call-for-uk-wide-clampdown-on-online-knife-sales

Oddly, I'm one of those who think legislation which isn't/ can't be enforced is worse than no legislation at all.
But you carry on in your ivory tower. Where any law works perfectly.
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On 18/07/2017 15:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: <snip>
> Oddly, I'm one of those who think legislation which isn't/ can't be > enforced is worse than no legislation at all.
Good for you. But
(a) how do you know the legislation will fall into that category? and
(b) did you criticise in the same way the many provisions introduced by the Blair/Brown administrations which fell into to that camp? It was long a part of real politics but they took the art to new heights.

That's another assertion you make without offering any evidence.
I have in fact no opinion on the effectiveness of the proposed legislation because I have not seen the details of what is proposed nor the evidence gathered in the work over recent years. My starting position is one of low expectations because legislation to change behaviour - especially criminal behaviour - is notoriously difficult. But I also don't doubt that the Opposition and minority parties would make the government's life hell if they did nothing on the matter.
And I am - as so often - puzzled by your position. You start off not even knowing that children can in practice buy knives online. So you were patently also ignorant of the pressure for changes over several years. Yet you still harp on about knee-jerk reactions and poorly thought out legislation.
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It's really simple. If the Tories are for it then Dave is against it, even if it's something Labour previously proposed. He's just like the retarded Labour politician on WatO criticising the Tories for doing something (increasing education spending) Labour are for. Lefties see the world in black and white; if you're not for them, you're against them. It's one of the defining characteristics of the Left, along with hypocrisy, authoritarianism and a pathological inability to understand simple economics.
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*Applause*
And don't forget dishonesty as we have seen with the student loans business, which I hope comes back to haunt them.
Additionally, yesterday there was supposed to be a Parliamentary debate about abuse of candidates during the recent election. The time available for this was talked out by Labour (i.e., they filibustered) so the debate never happened. They obviously wanted to protect their Momentum and Socialist "Worker" mates who would be responsible for the bulk of it.
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Very good - you two make a good pair.
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How wrong you are - but nothing new there. I'm against half hearted legislation that I don't think will work. 'The something must be seen to being done' type.

Crikey. Have we got a left government at the moment? You've just described the current one perfectly. But you head in the sand Tories can't even see that.
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On 18/07/17 16:25, Huge wrote:

Its even more simple. Daves viewpoint is funadmentalist, just as a Christian fundmaentalist believes that the only truth in the world is in the One Book, so Dave believes that the only truth in the world is dipsensed via his Marxist perspective.
Any glaring inconsistencies are simply errors of interpretation.
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Very likely. But in case it's escaped your notice, they've been out of office for a very long time.
What is it about you right wingers that makes you continually want to excuse a failing administration? And never actually discuss the point in question?
But a typical Brexiteer. 'Let's just give it a try and hope it works'
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On 18/07/2017 16:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You snipped and didn't answer:
"(a) how do you know the legislation will fall into that category [isn't/ can't be enforced]?
Too difficult for you?

Does that mean you did criticise those provisions or that you didn't? Or that you can't bring yourself to say? Or you forget?

You mean like you continue to duck and dive the issue on which you opined about at the start of this thread? Care to point me to a single fact you have given or source you have cited? You accuse me of living in an ivory tower when all you have done so far is demonstrate your ignorance of the how minors can pay (often lawfully), of the evidence of online sales of knives to minors (which goes back to at least 2005), and of the pros and cons of legislation to try to reduce them. You accuse me of living in an ivory tower. It seems to me you are the one showing signs of living somewhat detached from the world of politics and policy formulation - not to mention reasonable, rational debate.

There you go again. Where's your evidence that I'm a "Brexiteer"?
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I think Brexit has to be the new Godwin as far as Usenet is concerned.
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Clearly not, as you replied to someone who replied to him. Are you using a ZX Spectrum for your killfile? Do you actually see replies to someone you killfiled? How pathetic.
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It is interesting though, Does this mean if I want to buy a Stanley Knife and blades they cannot bedelivered in the mail? Brian
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Possibly. But we have yet to see the details. And the requirement to "collect it in person" may include collecting it from one of the shops which deal with parcels if there is a person there who is trusted to check ID.
On 18/07/2017 19:07, Brian Gaff wrote:

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On 18/07/2017 19:44, Robin wrote:

That'll be great for someone wanting a knife, blades, whatever else gets covered when they live way out in the countryside - especially of they don't drive!
The problem has presumably been caused because the banks decided to issue debit cards to under 18s - I'm sure you used to have to be 18 to get one at one time.
Anyway, what stops a child taking a knife, sharpened screwdriver, even an axe from their parents' garage or house?
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On 18/07/2017 21:44, Steve Walker wrote:

Nothing.
Aren't most kitchen drawers full of (or partially full of) sharp knives or have I got an odd kitchen set up?
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