Knives.

[Nightjar]

I was mildly surprised to be able to buy 12 x 500ml bottles of spirit of salts online a few months ago without any checks or even it coming by specialist courier..

[Robin]

"(a) how do you know the legislation will fall into that category [isn't/ can't be enforced]?

Too difficult for you?

Does that mean you did criticise those provisions or that you didn't? Or that you can't bring yourself to say? Or you forget?

You mean like you continue to duck and dive the issue on which you opined about at the start of this thread? Care to point me to a single fact you have given or source you have cited? You accuse me of living in an ivory tower when all you have done so far is demonstrate your ignorance of the how minors can pay (often lawfully), of the evidence of online sales of knives to minors (which goes back to at least 2005), and of the pros and cons of legislation to try to reduce them. You accuse me of living in an ivory tower. It seems to me you are the one showing signs of living somewhat detached from the world of politics and policy formulation - not to mention reasonable, rational debate.

There you go again. Where's your evidence that I'm a "Brexiteer"?

[Brian Gaff]

It is interesting though, Does this mean if I want to buy a Stanley Knife and blades they cannot bedelivered in the mail? Brian

[Robin]

Possibly. But we have yet to see the details. And the requirement to "collect it in person" may include collecting it from one of the shops which deal with parcels if there is a person there who is trusted to check ID.

[Steve Walker]

That'll be great for someone wanting a knife, blades, whatever else gets covered when they live way out in the countryside - especially of they don't drive!

The problem has presumably been caused because the banks decided to issue debit cards to under 18s - I'm sure you used to have to be 18 to get one at one time.

Anyway, what stops a child taking a knife, sharpened screwdriver, even an axe from their parents' garage or house?

SteveW

[Steve Walker]

And methylated spirits for my Mamod traction engine.

SteveW

[ARW]

Nothing.

Aren't most kitchen drawers full of (or partially full of) sharp knives or have I got an odd kitchen set up?

[Bob Eager]

I have methylated spirits.

And a Mamod traction engine.

[The Natural Philosopher]

can buy meths in 5 litrre cans easy enough. used in french polishing

[Robin]

That's the kind of collateral damage I'm sure has previously militated against such drastic steps - and which I expect will feature in an impact assessment i.d.c. But AIUI the government reached an agreement with big online sellers (Amazon etc) 2016 that they'd voluntarily deliver knives only to an adult; and those sellers then repeatedly failed to comply (blaming their contractors of course). So perhaps the legislation will make some provision for delivery if retailers come up with a scheme they can make work - and that will hit someone hard in the pocket if it fails. (That someone not being a £25 company that'll fold, or a self-employed driver who will disappear, the first time copper calls.)

Pre-paid cards have been around for many years. Then there's PayPal.

Nothing. But I don't know how many households have folding knives with longish blades - let alone ones which the kids think look good.

And of course it's harder to point the finger of blame at the government if the knife was bought by a parent.

[Steve Walker]

Yes you can, but I was talking about buying meths as a 9 year-old child

- not a chance these days!

SteveW

[The Natural Philosopher]

Bollox.

Buy it at tescos.

BTW any onlookers pelase tell me I am not suffering halluicinatins and that that web page does say that its grey in colour and includes batteries....????

------------------------------------------ Product specifications Additional Information Colour Grey Power Source Battery only Power Batteries Included Y Battery Type

123 Dimensions Product Height 16.8 Centimetre Product Width 5.0 Centimetre Product Depth 4.9 Centimetre Product Weight 0.23 Kilogram Material Material Plastic Key Information Type Tool Pack Size 1 Features Size 1

[Steve Walker]

The references in the previous posts and mine were referring to children walking in and buying items at the counter that they would not be able to do so today. No way would Tesco sell a child meths in the shop.

SteveW

[Robin]

I think a shop in Scotland might *if* they stocked it: IIRC the Scottish Parliament repealed the last of the age restrictions there around 10 years ago. But I have never seen meths in a Tesco store.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

That's what I thought too. Obviously, things have changed. So in other words, there can be no checks age wise on buying absolutely anything online. I'd have thought that needed sorting rather than just knives.

Quite. Most kitchens have plenty knives capable of being used as a weapon.

[Steve Walker]

I'm pretty sure I have seen it, along with turpentine substitute in the diy/motoring section. Not sure how long ago that was though.

SteveW

[Graeme]

+1

Not to mention a Mamod stationary engine, ditto Bowman.

[spuorgelgoog]

Poundland age-checked me for a small tin of yacht varnish yesterday.

I wonder if they thought I was going to make some graffiti glossy and water-resistant?

Owain

[harry]

Well shit-fer-brains. Any kid wanting a knife only has to look in his mums kitchen drawer.

[The Natural Philosopher]

sniff yourself silly.