How have the mighty fallen? OT.

In message , Andy Hall writes

For someone who puts on the air of a successful businessman, you didn't make a very good point then, did you?

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June Hughes
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In message , Andy Hall writes

No I don't find it 100% acceptable and never said I did but I wouldn't start airing my views here, in a most inappropriate place. I certainly wouldn't start referring to the ideas of 'most people' unless I could prove that that is the case. The only people who think the NHS is free are those who are out of work, either by choice or necessity, and freeloaders.

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June Hughes

In message , Andy Hall writes

Good. I hope you find a more suitable soap-box than these two newsgroups. If not, your money will be wasted.

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June Hughes

So I'm supposed to know whether what you say is fact and what is figurative?

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Mary Fisher

In message , Andy Hall writes

Snip almost three screens of typing. There is a norm on Usenet of around one screen, so that people do not have to scroll down.

I am glad you think so and hope you kept your post for a more fitting audience.

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June Hughes

You don't need as many as that.

They are not.

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Mary Fisher

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Mary Fisher

Close.

You know who ...

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Mary Fisher

You didn't give that impression, you suggested that there was a general problem getting Herceptin for cancer treatment.

You should think before typing.

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Mary Fisher

In message , Andy Hall writes

We ALL sell something, Andy. Unless, of course, we have won the lottery. Which you may well have done.

No I can't but this is the wrong place to do it. Try opening a website or something and spend some of the money you say you are investing in your project on publicising it. That way, you have more or a chance of success. Here you have very little.

Reply to
June Hughes

Is what you do 100% acceptable?

Nothing is.

Reply to
Mary Fisher

Now that's interesting, genuinely.

What are you doing?

Mary

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Mary Fisher

Not off hand.

The healthcare - NHS - I've received and that of my family has been first class.

Your experience is different.

My experience of hens has been different too.

So?

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Mary Fisher

The chickens come home to roost ...

Timeline of health service jobs cuts Hospital job cuts that will run into more than 9,000 have been announced in recent weeks as the NHS struggles to balance the books. Here is a timeline of the announcements:

14 July

Norfolk and Waveney Mental Health Trust to cut up to 40 jobs to deal with a £5m funding shortfall.

7 July

North Devon Hospital, Barnstaple to cut 60 staff, including about 30 nurses.

30 June

Royal Bolton Hospital to cut about 130 jobs to save up to £8m a year. No compulsory redundancies expected.

28 June

Southampton University Hospitals NHS Trust to cut around 100 jobs to tackle a £27m deficit.

East and North Herts NHS Trust to cut up to 500 job cuts at hospitals in Hertfordshire in order to help make £18m of savings.

27 June

United Lincolnshire Hospitals Trust axes nearly 320 jobs, including

100 among agency staff, to tackle a £15m overspend. 9 June

Mid Yorkshire Hospitals NHS Trust to cut around 1,100 positions to save £18m over the next two years. Redundancies not ruled out.

31 May

Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust to cut 300 jobs to tackle a deficit of more than £16m. No impact on permanent staff, as cuts would fall on bank and agency staff.

25 May

Oxford Radcliffe NHS Trust to cut 600 staff posts to help make £33m in savings.

22 May

Queen Elizabeth Hospital in King's Lynn, Norfolk, to cut 145 posts to reduce its £11 million deficit. In addition, another 70 posts that currently stand vacant will not be filled.

19 May

St George's Healthcare NHS Trust, which runs St Georg's Hospital, Tooting, south London to cut up to 150 jobs. Trust has been told by government to make an additional £10m of savings, on top £19m in savings already planned for 2006-7.

12 May

Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust to cut about 430 posts as part of a cost cutting plan aimed at saving £84m in the next three years.

10 May

Gloucestershire Health NHS Community Trust announces the closure of a string of community hospitals with the possible loss of up to 500 jobs to help tackle a £38m deficit.

5 May

Pennine Acute Trust , which runs four Greater Manchester hospitals, says it might axe up to 800 posts as it struggles to cope with a deficit of £21m.

27 April

Kennet and North Wiltshire Primary Care Trust and the West Wiltshire Trust announce plan which could see the loss of more than 80 management and administration posts.

26 April

Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital warns up to 450 jobs could be scrapped as part of plans to reduce a £14.8m budget deficit.

Weston General Hospital in Weston-super-Mare to cut 60 jobs after the trust overspent by £6m.

24 April

East Sussex NHS Hospitals Trust, which runs the Conquest Hospital in Hastings and Eastbourne District General, says up to 250 jobs could be axed in a bid to tackle a £5m deficit.

13 April

Sandwell and West Birmingham Hospitals NHS Trust to shed up to 800 jobs at its three Birmingham and Black Country sites. The trust, which runs City, Sandwell and Rowley Regis hospitals, has a deficit of £6m, but said it plans to save £20m in the next year.

11 April

West Hertfordshire Hospitals NHS Trust said up to 500 jobs would have to go in the next 12 to 18 months to help tackle debts of £28.6m.

The trust said it would cut back on temporary staff - reducing the number of permanent staff affected.

7 April

York Hospital is to cut 200 jobs in a move to save £2.5m. The savings from jobs are part of a wider £7m cost-cutting package.

6 April

Worcestershire Acute Hospitals NHS Trust announces 720 losses. It needs to save £30m.

5 April

Royal United Hospital NHS Trust in Bath announces that 300 jobs are to go.

4 April

Surrey and Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust, which manages Crawley Hospital and East Surrey Hospital, announces 400 jobs cuts as it tries to reduce a £2m a month overspend and a total debt of £41.2m.

3 April

Up to 160 jobs to go at the Medway Maritime Hospital in Gillingham, Kent, to cut up to 160 jobs to save £11m in 2006-07 and claw back a £1m overspend from last year.

29 March

Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals NHS Trust announces plans to cut

325 posts to save £10m.

Queen Elizabeth Hospital NHS Trust in Woolwich says up to 100 jobs could go to save £10m.

Mid Staffordshire General Hospitals NHS Trust plans to cut more than

150 jobs, to save £10m next year. 28 March

Gloucestershire Health NHS Community confirms plans to close an 86-bed hospital and says jobs may also go.

27 March

Norwich and Norfolk University Hospital says it will need to make cuts to address a £22m shortfall.

24 March

North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust says 74 jobs including 21 specialist specialist nursing jobs are "at risk".

23 March

East Kent Hospitals Trust gives warning of possible cuts to claw back a £35m deficit.

County Durham and Darlington Acute Hospitals NHS Trust announces up to

700 job cuts over the next three years. 22 March

Queen Mary's, Sidcup, south-east London says it will consult over the loss of 190 jobs.

Royal Free Hospital, north-west London, announces 480 posts and 100 beds cut to save £25m and reduce a £13m deficit.

20 March

Plymouth Hospitals NHS Trust announces around 200 job cuts to make savings of £22m.

Shropshire's two main hospitals, the Princess Royal Hospital and Royal Shrewsbury Hospital to cut around 300 jobs.

Health chiefs announce 300 job cuts in Wolverhampton to claw back a £38m deficit.

16 March

University Hospital of North Staffordshire NHS Trust, Stoke-on-Trent, to cut up to 1,000 jobs with up to 750 compulsory redundancies.

13 March

Peterborough and Stamford Hospitals NHS Trust will lose 185 jobs and plans to shut an operating theatre to save £2m.

10 March

United Lincolnshire Hospitals NHS Trust, which has £17.5m debt, says there will be major job losses.

8 March

Royal Cornwall Hospitals Trust, which is facing an £8.1m shortfall, announces it is set to cut 300 staff.

Surrey and Sussex Strategic Health Authority says it is expecting an £83m deficit.

1 March

Selby and York Primary Care Trust announces jobs will have to go as part of a plan to tackle debts of £23.7m.

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Reply to
Derek ^

Where's it say that then ?

DG

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Derek ^

...

Oh, it must be true then.

Reply to
Mary Fisher

So is mine.

My father in law went into "Jimmy's" with a broken femur as a result of a fall. The NHS ambulance crew lost his notes because they were opening the new A&E on the LGI site that day (Utter chaos = Big joke, Guffaws all around BTW) so the ward did not continue his medication. As a result he went down to theatre and had a hip replacement which subsequently did not heal. After 3 days they said his new prosthetic hip was infected and he had to have it out so he then had *No* hip joint. He was put in a side ward with other patients thereby putting them at risk of getting the same infection he had. His bed could not be seen from the nurses workstation (none of them could) although the ward was modern, built in 1972, the year we got married.

One Sunday afternoon he fell out of bed 18 times in the space of 2

+1/2 hours because there was no-one to help/restrain him.

He died after 6 weeks in a filthy, disgusting dump. His food was dumped at the side of his bed and just collected 4 hours later untouched, he was not nursed, probably because he was old.

After he was moved into a private room (because he was infected with MRSA) they still kept the ward mop and bucket in the room with him. His window looked out onto an enclosed quadrangle to which the public had no access which was littered with used syringes and disposable urinal bottles.

The dirty bastards !

Yes, So ?

DG

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Derek ^

Is that your answer?

DG

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Derek ^

I think the Govt's No. 1 Responsibility is defence. And that really shouldn't be reliant on lock-in to private suppliers - I'm not a fan of "Windows For Warships".

No. 2 is the economy.

Without 1. and 2. we can't afford, personally or collectively, healthcare.

But they're interdependent to some extent - without healthcare (in the sense of public health) we don't have a population fit for soldiering or working. AIUI poor public fitness for war was a big concern before WW1 or WW2.

Owain

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Owain

They're not that expensive. I think 10-20p a go is more normal. Are you using an overly expensive brand?

Testing 6-8 times a day is rather more than necessary - maybe for a bit in order to get some mental calibration, but your body does tell you what's going on quite well, and routine helps.

I used to do 4 a day, and that was considered to be a lot, but have slacked off to 2-3 nowadays - I can guess the others quite well.

What you may find interesting is one of the 72 hour tests - rather expensive (50 quid for an electrode, meter is 4 figures), but gives you a better idea of how your day goes.

Of course it's rather more important for me to get it right - I've got the scars on my tongue to prove it - so I may have an easier time getting treatment.

Anyway, don't you get sore fingers with testing 6-8 times a day?

(s/you/whoever/ if required throughout this post)

cheers, clive

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Clive George

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