On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:32:07 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote (in article ):
That would take Superman. I'd be happy with doing the mass sackings of civil servants. - I'd happily spend several days doing that, from the top down.
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:58:53 +0100, June Hughes wrote (in article ):
On one occasion at an evening cocktail reception, somebody told Oscar Wilde a joke. He laughed and said that he wished that he had thought of it. One of his companions said "Don't worry, Oscar. You will"
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:01:04 +0100, The Reid wrote (in article ):
Not really. I am talking about things that stand a chance of working.
Yes I do. It would be very difficult to amass convincing evidence that in the field of healthcare delivery, running a megalithic organisation is an effective solution.
If it were, then we would find the healthcare organisations of each country of similar population size to the UK and having socialised medicine to have an organisation of similar size. They don't. Even if you scale to look proportionately at the healthcare organisations of smaller countries, you won't find them.
That speaks volumes.
Of course, until people in the UK realise that they are being suckered by the
4th of the three big lies, it won't change.On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:01:04 +0100, The Reid wrote (in article ):
I don't *need* to do anything. It isn't a political view - simply an observation of a majorly broken organisation that really requires euthanasia.
Once one has an open mind that leaves on one side the concept that the state needs to operate a megalith to deliver healthcare, then many more things become possible.
Sadly the reality is that most people are unable to think outside the box.
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:54:20 +0100, Owain wrote (in article ):
There is that.
Hopefully, the private sector would be able to defend itself from this. It would probably still be more cost effective to pick up the social security bill.
I've always had a simple principle when hiring people. It is a mistake to hire the wrong person. It is an even bigger mistake to keep them.
This is simply a larger example of that issue. In other words, at a certain point it makes more sense to pay the money and fix the problem.
Following up to Ophelia
cancels personal DIY pipeline to Russia.
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Yes, and DIY. :->
In message , Andy Hall writes
Instead of wasting your time blathering about it here, why not do something positive? Get off your backside and on your bike and start doing something about it instead of giving earache to those who are unable to alter things.
In message , Andy Hall writes
Why not just get on and do something about it if you feel so strongly, instead of winding up everyone here? Perhaps then, we will end up with a better NHS and you will be a hero of the people.
In message , Andy Hall writes
A few days? I think a lot more than that is required.
In message , Andy Hall writes
Get yourself a couple of sandwich boards and parade up and down Oxford Street spreading the word. That may achieve something. Of course, it is easier just to sit on your backside at your computer and spout on Usenet but you could be far more effective than that, couldn't you?
Following up to Andy Hall
true.
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"not even close" . The service is blindingly obviously universal and free at point of delivery, you just want to dredge up any odd exception that would "prove" otherwise to bolster your case, even Thatcher didnt say it wasnt free at point of delivery. You say its "ridiculous" that its FAPOD, most would say that claim just makes you look ridiculous.
You argue anything big cant work, big business thinks otherwise, you even begrudge acknowledging economies of scale work in its favour and talk of a monolith as if the trusts dont exist and the whole thing is directly controlled by a man in a pin striped suit sitting in Whitehall. Just replace it with some vouchers, yeah simple. You would do better to take a less extreme position.
Oh, June, that's not fair! I don't think you realise that this chap isn't lazing about at home at his pc, he's jetting all round the world with his laptop, being very busy. Probably solving other, even worse, problems!
Can't cope with keeping a couple of chickens for more than a day or two though ...
Mary
In message , Mary Fisher writes
I shall refrain from saying 'Eggsactly'.
Correct, once a system has gone rotten from the roots to the core it is better to start again from the beginning. Plant a new seed.
By way of an example the State of Jersey provides a health care system independant of the NHS. It is not free, people just pay for it when they use it. If they can pay 55 quid for a call out to fix their washing machine they can pay 15 quid for an X-ray.
They even manage to provide a kidney dialysis service free of charge for tourists visiting the island.
When we set up our mailing list at work there were more than 500 hospitals in England with more than 500 beds. ISTM that in an organisation that big contributing to a discussion forum such as this is as good a start as any that an individual can make towards getting the system changed.
DG
And if they can't afford to call out the washing machine engineer?
And what about subsequent treatment for what the x-ray shows?
£55 is not the full cost of the x-ray, I suspect. If it is it must be one of the cheapest parts of medical needs.On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:12:18 +0100, June Hughes wrote (in article ):
If I were to do it, we wouldn't have an NHS. Unfortunately, contrary to their own best interests, most people seem wedded to the idea that this is the only way to deliver healthcare in a civilised society and are willing to accept third rate service because they think it's free.
If I thought that the British population were ready for a completely new concept, then I would seriously give it a go.
Following up to June Hughes
you have a point, its too hot for political cobblers, having spent the morning shoveling muck in the heat and with the prospect of chiseling up floor tiles pm lets discuss something nice.........thinks... ............did I mention the barmaid at the "Pigs Nose" by any chance?
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:10:32 +0100, June Hughes wrote (in article ):
Nobody requires you to read the articles that I write.
As I already explained to you, this is something that I would take on if there were the public will to throw the whole thing away and start again.
Until the mentality moves away from using band Aids to cure cancer, there is no point in spending the effort on it.
However, if people reading this are able and willing to think outside the box, they may wish to write to their MP.
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