Perhaps I'm wrong about this, but my interpretation is that it will be
the householder who is required to provide certificates for their
property. The fact that I might have carried out work on that site
will not by necessity make me liable for issuing a certificate.
Or if it does then I expect a ten-fold increase in my prices for doing
this job. I might charge ฃ30 (or less) to change a light fitting, and
add ฃ300 to the invoice for the local council to come and check my
All in all I think this will worsen the situation that the government
were trying to solve - to get rid of the cowboys from the industry.
What will most likely happen is that the cowboys will go even further
underground and want to be paid in untraceable cash for any work
carried out, so that certificate requirements cannot be validated.
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Not only that, many people seem to forget (retailers included) that when
you buy, your contract is with the seller and not the manufacturer
(assuming you are not buying direct). Whatever warranty terms the
manufacturer may wish to provide / impose does not alter the statutory
rights you can exercise with the seller.
You're mixing two different things. There may be cases where a boiler
malfunctions because of substandard gas installation (somebody
somewhere has probably connected a big via a length of garden hose)
but I would suspect that most likely warranty claims are to do with
existing systems not be flushed out properly, failure to provide a
bypass when required etc all of which are completely uncontrolled.
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No doubt somebody will flame me but here goes anyway!
If you don't have it installed by a CORGI who certifies it then there is a
legal requirement to have the installation approved by the local Building
Control department of your Council. This will cost but is essential because
when you come to sell the house you will be required to certify that all BCO
approvals have been complied with. In any case your insurers could have a
get out if you had a fire that could be blamed on a duff install if you
cannot prove it was insatlled according to the rules.
As for the guarantee it is the supplier not the manufacturer who is
responsible. Any manufacturer's guarantee is in addition to your statutory
rights under the various bits of sale of goods legislation. A one year
guarantee would not stand up in court because the boiler should last much
longer than that. Five years at least!
I agree that BCO approval should be required - but from what I can see, all
it deals with is energy efficiency etc (TRVs, timeclocks, SEDBUK rating).
The system currently meets all these requirements (apart from SEDBUK rating
as its an v.old boiler) and once the boiler is replaced, the SEDBUK rating
will be fine.
It seems the requirements came in 2002 - however when we bought the house in
2003 there wasn't any mention boilers/water cylinders in the declarations
made either by ourselves or the sellers.
As I understand it, there isn't a statutory right to having something last a
certain amount of time. There's certainly a 6 year limit on claiming for
manufacturing faults (different from things just dying which weren't present
at time of manufacture). Its wholly possible that problems with a basic
boiler which happen after 18 months are likely to be manufacture related -
eg. heat exchangers don't just fail in 18 months if inhibitor etc has been
Thanks for the advice though.
What I am saying is that a reasonable length of time for a boiler to last
would be much more than one year. Many unscrupulous suppliers and
manufacturers try to hide behind a worthless "guarantee" even though the law
requires that it should be a reasonable time. Given that boilers often last
for twenty years or more to try and limit liability to one year is
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:40:17 -0000, "Peter Crosland"
True. The possible trouble here is that the supplier could claim that
the intent of the sale was commercial and therefore exempt.
Slippery shoulder I know, but....
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