On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 10:20:08 +0000, Broadback wrote:
And the reason they're "not into" DIY is because they're no longer home-
owners until much, much later in life. Instead they live with their
parents or rent and in either case, everything's done for them. Now
there's a trend I wish I'd spotted years ago. Could have made a few quid
from buying Shed 'puts.' ;-)
Another one. When we had a manufacturing interest menfolk often brought
their occupation skills to use at home. Now we have a service industry
they bring home the credit card for buying things ready made.
And another. There are less ingenious geeks being born and reaching full
term, they are being turned by big business to becoming consumers - in
most cases way too early. Consumers, by the very sense of the word,
In fact there is a lot more of that done by those who are part of the
industry, most obviously with those who work in the building industry.
Its more that there is a lot more available ready made than there used to be
and the big increase in living standards means that it often makes a lot
sense to just toss an appliance in the bin and buy another when it dies too.
I don’t buy that. They are just producing different stuff
than they used to, apps instead of gadgets for example.
Big business doesn’t turn anyone into anything,
they just supply what people want.
They do however produce a market for those who do create.
Yes, right thruout virtually the entire modern first and second
world, its MUCH harder for young people to become home
owners than it was in the quite recent past. That has a MUCH
bigger effect on DIY than anything else. essentially because
renters don’t get to do as much DIY as home owners even if
they want to DIY.
I also wonder if it starts at a very young age.
Boys who played with Meccano might well grow up to enjoy constructing
things. Not sure the simpler contruction toys give the same insight into
how things work.
And then there's computers. So many these days think they are the answer
to everything. But try getting one to joint two bits of wood together. ;-)
Although being able to draw out a plan for that easily is one of the
things I love about mine.
*If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled? *
Dave Plowman firstname.lastname@example.org London SW
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 11:44:34 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:
Donno, I didn't do to bad with lego. Couldn't afford Meccano, though
I had a little bit. This is 1960's Lego as well not todays Lego with
Technic and NXT. The lad has loads of technic and an NXT set, does he
play with it nope, builds things in Minecraft instead. Not just
buildings but "things" like launchers or an 8 bit binary adder
complete with in/out registers etc.
As has been mentioned most are conditioned these days to be
"consumers" and that the statement "No user serviceable parts inside"
is true. So if something breaks you throw it away and buy another
one. No thought that it could be repaired for the price of a
screwdriver and 10 p component.
Best I could manage was a 1-bit adder built using relays my bro had
brought back from the Navy. He also gave me soldering iron (only packed
up a year or two ago) and solder, a lot of which I still have. I was
able also to mend the wartime Ministry of Supply radio that had packed
up (needed a new diode - I used an OA81) and another wire had become
disconnected. It whistled a lot but was OK for listening to Radio
Luxembourg and that Alan Freeman.
"Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny's the only guaranteed byproduct of
those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do." -- Bigby Wolf
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:12:40 +0000, Andy Cap wrote:
Whilst that is perfectly true, some things certainly CAN kill you. I am
about to start fault-finding on an early 70s Tek storage scope which has
had a failure in the EHT section (probably a blown cap). Anyway, 7kv is
lurking behind a mesh cage with a big warning sign on it. Not looking
forward to prodding around within that. If you never hear from me again,
you'll know why.
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 11:16:17 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
I've been mending things since I was 12 back in the 1950s and my mum
let me "fix" her Suffolk Punch. I decoked it, ground in the valves and
it started first time after that. Often I'd take it to bits just to
see how it worked. Later aged 13/14 I branched out to my first car, a
1934 Morris 8, which of course I couldn't drive, but it provided no
end of tinkering.
Then I did a 7-year apprenticeship as a motor fitter, got my C & G,
moved to Germany and worked for Ford-Werke for over a decade. There I
started tinkering with the first word processor Ford acquired. Then I
discovered I could program it with MBasic on an 8" floppy the service
engineer gave me. Later still I moved into computer support with
another company and finally ended my working life as a computer
programmer for Hallmark. That old lawnmower has a lot to answer for. I
actually bought one about three years ago. Bloke near me seems to have
an endless supply of old cylinder mowers which he does up and sells
Right now I make furniture and fix loose fence posts.
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 13:53:33 +0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
I watched a repair engineer from the National Grid at work on a
powerline nearby (not a very large pylon, just the "telephone pole"
kind) and he had on the thickest rubber gloves I've ever seen. I
believe he said they don't need to switch off the power then if it's a
These things tend to go in phases. Half the time its what they do not learn
at school. back in the early 60s we were taught woodwork and metalwork
skills and how to do things safely, though unfortunately the angle grinder
had not become a universal tool in those days.
Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email.
graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them
I saw one of those get shorted out by a tree branch one time back in the
70s. They don't look very capable, but this particular line carried 33kv
and god knows how much current. I still recall it being like an atom bomb
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